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The point, I think, is one of reliance upon the international trade in illegal drugs. Which I took to be the issue of this thread.
Roger, there is no call for army helmet making outside prison, never mind the involvement of Global Industries and Wall Street.
Then there is the stark disparity between the sentences skewed to 'gather-up' only the poor.
The General Keith spoke of in #1 just doesn't get 'it'. Without the inflow of Heroin and (crack) Cocaine to the USA their Government might have to actually deal with a problem that they currently sweep under the carpet of their Penal System.
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Tom
We have international agreements on stopping drug production and supply
Why aren't we dropping napalm bombs on these farms?
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Because, dear Keith, there is money, and more than money, to be made doing otherwise. How could anybody imagine that attacking a few farmers that simply do what all small farmers do (grow what they know how to grow and that will bring them a reasonable return for their labours) be a meaningful step towards reducing illicit drug supply?
Less damage would be done to international trade and the standing and significance of many Governments by putting an end to the cultivation of sugar, and more general good would come of it.
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Tom
So you think not destroying poppy fields is ok? Just as long as the farmers earn a living , we are not talking about cabbages
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Why automatically link 'destroy' with 'bombs'? Would the production of Opium be any less destroyed if these farmers were encouraged to grow something else, cabbages/sugar etc.?
There have been efforts made to do this, with some success initially. But, as you can see from your own shopping streets, where once Grocers etc. thrived there is now a Sex Shop, a Bookmakers, a Pawn Shop and sundry Charity shops.
The amount of dedication and work involved in returning your shopping streets to their more cuddly ways is no less than what it would take to turn these farmers away from their habitual practices.
The first thing that has to happen in either case is that a demand be created. As in Afghanistan and Dover, cash is king, money is power. Heroin and Cocaine are so profitably mixed together, both in terms of Cash-Clout and Political Power, that no (actual and real) effort is made to do anything other than milk the trade, and the public's gullibility.
If things are to improve we cannot take our eye off the money trail and instead get our cheap thrills from attacking those that need to turn a penny; while ignoring those that make the billions.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, Society can't drop napalm on fields, either at home or in another country.
What we could do is to introduce stricter boarder controls to detect entry of illegal drugs to Britain.
But this Government only cuts back on boarder personnel.
Spending cuts.
Our real problem is this Government, not Afghanistan.
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Growing this filth in the golden triangle was prevented by shooting farmers doing the growing, faced with this action they turned to more normal crops
So I understand that politicians don't won't to upset afghan farmer in case they pick up a gun and defend there rights to grow this filth,
The solution is so simple, shoot the farmers,
dead farmers don't grow dope or pick up guns.
I am flagging up the facts that UK politicians are tuning a blind eye to dope production, I haven't seen one of our 750 MPs question this fact
Alex's why cant we drop napalm ?? Why should solders have to go around this sh...hole with strimmers
This is what it needs tom a bit of good old-fashioned gardening
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Keith, we've got to keep a cool head.
Our problems can be solved legally, by way of serious border control. Drugs can be detected using trained dogs, and personnel trained to use them.
The problem is the incompetent Government: to cut back on spending, saving a few million pounds here and there on border security, they potentially allow in illegal drugs worth hundreds of millions of pounds, meaning the Police have to dedicate so much more time and effort as a result of these drugs arriving here.
The end-bill is ten to one hundred times higher than what the Government saved on spending cuts at the borders.
Unless the Police see through all this and say something to the Government, we're just fighting a lost battle.
The Government has dedicated enormous expenses in manpower and weaponry in Afghanistan, while closing down border security at home. They did not succeed in Afghanistan, and they failed at home.
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Afghanistan: high expectations of record opium crop
UN report reveals rapid growth of poppy farming as western troops get ready to withdraw, which reflects particularly badly on Britain
""Opium cultivation is up for the third successive year, and production is heading towards record levels," said Jean-Luc Lemahieu, Afghanistan head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime. "People are hedging against an insecure future both politically and economically.""
"Typical of the official neglect are the 22 "national priority programmes" drawn up by Kabul to focus aid money and diplomatic efforts on its key development concerns including justice and education. Counter-narcotics was not one of them, nor has it been put at the heart of the other programmes.
"We need to have counter-narcotics dealt with seriously by the entire government as well as the aid community," Lemahieu said. "One of the big missing links here is providing for the communities themselves."
Eradication programmes that do not provide farmers with benefits such as healthcare and education, and support growing other crops will just push the Taliban or other insurgent groups that do tolerate or encourage poppy production, he added."
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I understood that the main reason we went into Afghanistan was to destroy the opium crop and stop, or at least reduce
the amount of heroin coming to Britain. And to defeat the Taliban of course; neither of which we've succeeded at.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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probably never will roger.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought it was to destroy terrorist training camps even though most of them were somewhere else.
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There may be another reason why British soldiers were sent into Afghanistan to stop the production of drugs:
http://news.sky.com/story/1078320/bankers-cocaine-use-led-to-financial-crisishoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the old western arrogance of knowing what is best for johnny foreigner has failed again. poor afghan farmers were told to grow cotton, which they did, nobody wanted to buy it though.
oh well back to the poppy.