Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Having recieved another e-mail from Barry last night I have decided to make a statement.
I have apologised 3 times but that is still not enough for Barry and now he is threatening to sue not only me but Dover Forum,the comment I statement I was made as a joke and Barry can do what he wants to me but I will not have him sueing the Forum.So I hope now Barry will drop this for the sake of the Forum and its members.
The e-mail from Barry was called Please Wisen Up and he says he is not my enemy and he is trying to find a solution that does not involve a lot of pain and the possible bankrupting me and Dover Forum.
There is no shame for you to admit a mistake and that there are no grounds for suspision and to apologise.
He continues I really do not want to take legal action but feel I have no choice if you do not make the appriopate statement.
He continues Please calm down and think-You were wrong in what you said-it is a serious commercial matter.
This I will do later but first I ask you to consider the following made by Barry in the last few days,his words not mine.In the blog Is this really offensive.
Quote People are far too quick to take offence or to manufacture,there is nothing wrong with being offended now and again,you at least know that you are alive.un quote or
Quote.I sincerely hope that I have offended many of you now and again no need to thank me because I am pleased to say a lot of you offend me.unquote
QuoteThose who are offended are either total fools or precious little darlings who need to grow up.Keith whatever rubbish you said in another thread you really are in thrall to pc twaddle.unquote.
Quote.I like them to have a sense of humour personally,it is the over sensitive who should take a long hard look at themselves but on the other hand complaints may well have other motivations,greed after compensation maybe or a grudge or political.Un quote.
Not my words Barry's.
This is what Barry has asked me to say.
I want to publically state that I regret certain coments and allergations made in respect of Barry Williams and those he represents,they were made without thought,without any basis for suspision and without any intention of the comments being taken seriously.
I want to withdraw the comments unreservedly and apologise for my error.
John Goodwin.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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john
it might be better if you kept communication between yourself and barry between yourselves.
that is not a forum view, just mine.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Sorry Howard Barry asked for the apology on here,this is now done.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sorry john, i did not read it through properly.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank you Howard - you are of course quite right. That was a follow up to a previous email and I was trying to find a solution that would not result in certain consequences and a 'knock-on' to the forum, I did tell PaulB that I would not act against the forum as such, if matters came to taking action.
It would have been wiser of John just to make a dignified statement withdrawing his comments as I suggested.
In respect of his reference to a previous thread/discussion, I repeat, this specific matter of dispute was not a matter of offense, if it was then there would not be an issue. This was a matter of what my solicitor called 'deflamation' (I think thats the right spelling) and was about implied dishonesty in his post that had no humourous context to it. Indeed the whole matter was around his use of the word honest. His claimed '3 apologies' and claims of a joke were not done in a manner that was acceptable and would not have served as a defence under the laws of libel.
I will not continue in a response to John's comments but I will accept his withdrawal, however grudgingly, and leave the matter there.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - this is where you are totally wrong. We have two totally different issues here as I explained. The freedom of speech, including the freedom to offend, is very different to making untrue and false statements about the business practises of a professional for whom integrity and trust are essential.
I will not be making any further comments or statements on this.
The whole sorry matter is now closed as far as I am concerned.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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gary
i have deleted you post as it is inappropriate.
I am sad this has been carried out on this forum. No-one is coming out of this very well. I am also a bit confused.........there are people who have been barred for causing offence, and I do not have a problem with that, the forum has to police itself and does the best job it can with a challenging issue, but I wonder if this kind of publicly-fought spat might have also given rise to some reflection by the forum to ensure parity and fairness? It has done no good to the forums reputation, which is important. I need to add I am not promoting any kind of action or complaining about inaction, just asking the question because I care about the forum and its ability to function credibly. I am not being critical of anyone at all.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Deary, deary me.
The squirrelling of assets overseas can hardly be said to be an illegal practice as it goes on fairly openly all the time without much, if any, redress sought by either of the usual suspects that have formed our Government these many years past.
Indeed, though the practice goes on and has it's detractors and that there are many among them who go further and call it down-right immoral; patently illegal (at the present time) it is not.
Hence any hint that this one or that is engaged in such practice cannot be said to be an accusation of illegality.
Any slur upon an individual's 'moral compass', whether with regard to personal or professional life, is not best countered by open and wide ranging threats lest the individual be seen to "protest too much".
Now, any hint that one was engaged in stuffing ones underwear with cash prior to travelling; that would be a wholly different matter.
Maybe what we have been witness to is an attack of moral indignation.
These chaps and many others seem to trade openly...
http://www.offshorelegal.org/bullet-proof-asset-protection.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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There is so much moral indignation spouted about legal tax avoidance, it makes me want to throw up. Let him/her who is without an ISA cast the first stone. If the tax laws are so easy to dodge, they were badly drafted in the first place.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Peter,
"If the tax laws are so easy to dodge, they were badly drafted in the first place."
'Bad', only in the hip-hop sense. The laws, as such, cannot be easily circumvented. The laws are so 'carefully' drafted as to make the necessity for outright breach unnecessary. Then again we have the letter of the law and the spirit of the law and our old friend, "Need for global cooperation". [then we have the MPs excuse,"we were all at it so that's OK]
I do beg your pardon, all for bringing politics into your sunny Saturday.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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bern
on the news this morning that someone sued another on twitter and won big money, that is the world we live in.
when paul makes a decision to ban a poster it is after a lot of soul searching provoked by complaints he receives.
we all have to be careful what we say about another, richard digance is fair game though.
Terry Nunn
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As Peter's looking in I thought I'd mention that we shall be in alternate Fridays from now on.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Keith Sansum1
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JOHN
Thanks for the call mate and well done for trying to resolve this nasty bit of stuff.
i do thankyou for putting the forum first.
Hiopefully the matter will all be closed now, and the forum get back to where it used to be.
You did make some interesting quotes from those tha wanted to take legal action which i had forgotten some of them, maybe i should sue lol
Forumites im sure will reflect upon this and draw a line underneath it, the open ness our barryw wanted in the past i'm sure others will be more wary of even replying to his posts
which in itself is rather sad.
So lets get back to paulb's forum that we all enjoy and hopefully john we will see you posting again on a regular basis, maybe not commenting on one indivduals posting.
good luck john
k
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am totally anti tax havens.
It's a lovely sunny morning here in Jersey....
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well deflamation isn't that bad, it probably is the opposite of inflamation.
I must go and prepare my day's second coffee with milk and cream.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Thank you Terry, please also note we shall be open tomorrow and next Sunday on an exceptional basis from noon until 2.30.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Howard,
I have just re read my post and checked other posts on John's "not posting topic".
Considering the personal comments I have had to put with from BarryW in past threads, I feel you are wrong not to let me have my say.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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possibly gary, but the idea now is to play down things and allow time for calm reflection.