Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 February 2011
01:4194086#1
Many have wondered how to attract visitors down from the Castle, and to stop travellers entering the Port without first visiting the town.
Well the answer is here: without any need for a cable-car, and providing they take a left turn just before the Eastern Docks.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 February 2011
07:3494091#2
Are you talking about absailing down the cliffs, or visiting the First and Last ?
Roger
Brian Dixon
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25 February 2011
07:4094094#3
roger,would you fancy absailing down a crumbly cliff for a pint of kentish best,thought not.the cable car a daft idea in the first place should exit near the town center as possable.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 February 2011
09:1694097#4
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 February 2011
09:2494098#5
East Cliff - my favourite street in Dover.
I hear there are a couple of houses buried at the western end; does anyone know more? And tunnels under the street.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 February 2011
13:2894132#6
Plenty of tunnels behind East Cliff all along from the swimming pool to the docks.
Not sure about buried houses but there were certainly some there before the spoil from the WW2 tunnel excavation at Castle was dumped there. I think one of them was a school !
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 February 2011
18:4494174#7
what i think alex is trying to convey is that it is a great kentish tradition to down vast quantities of neck oil.
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25 February 2011
18:5194178#8
Maggie-
Bob thinks some caves (where the pig was kept by the Poole family) when their house was struck by falling cliffs, thinks the caves are still there
viz:
POOLE FAMILY TRAGEDY 1910:
Dover, December 14. A most melancholy and fatal accident happened here this morning. - at about a quarter past six an immense portion of the cliff situated directly over the Ordnance Yard at the top of the Upper Rope Walk adjoining Guilford Battery, came down, burying the unfortunate inhabitants of the house below. By this dreadful catastrophe, a woman and six children were crushed to death. The father of this unhappy family - a Mr POOLE - a worthy and industrious man, was just leaving the door of his house at the moment of the accident, part of the rubbish fell on him but he was extricated alive, although most dreadfully bruised. Within a few minutes after, an immense number of persons were collected together and commenced digging with the hope of extricating some more of the sufferers but from the great quantity of earth which had fallen several hours elapsed before they came to any of the bodies, which have been all taken out except one of the children. All of course dead and shockingly disfigured. - The quantity of earth and chalk fallen down is computed at many thousand tons; - indeed it is impossible to form an idea of the ravage it has occasioned. The greatest praise is due to all the persons employed in clearing away the rubbish for their prompt and unwearied exertions.
Dec. 16: A coroner's inquest was yesterday held on the bodies of Mrs POOLE, her five children and a child of Mrs POOLE's sister, who were crushed to death by the falling of the cliff on Friday morning last. Verdict. - accidental death. - the poor man is as well as can be expected. The last body was taken out about five o'clock on Friday evening. - most fortunate was it the accident happened so early as a workshop adjoining POOLE's dwelling was also buried and in a few hours many workmen would have been employed therein. - Certainly with the exception of the Earthquake, this is the most dreadful of all human calamities - not a moment's warning to the unhappy sufferers of their approaching fate - all instantaneously crushed to death!!
(Kentish Gazette 18 Dec 1810 back page col.4. ) and the next paragraph reports there was a tremendous fall of cliff in the middle of Snargate Street, eastward of the Barracks which stood above the street. Many people left their beds to run across the street. Both these accidents have happened in parts of the cliff which appeared to have been the most solid.)
POOLE family - Dover Cliff Fall of a Century Ago:
The incident recorded on the following memorial card sent us by Mr C.H.GARDNER of Ringwould, is well known to older Dovorians, but will be new to many present day residents:-
"SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF Eliza Poole, wife of John Poole, aged 48 years; also of John Poole aged 13 years;
Luke Poole aged 11 years; Emma Poolel aged 9 years; Benjamin Poole aged 6 years; William Poole aged 4 years and Sophia Javes aged 6 years, niece of the above; who, in the hours of sleep, and in the midst of health and happiness, were all destroyed by a fall of the Cliff, on the 14th of December 1810.
Free from the cares that cross this fleeting stream, Here rest the victims of a helpless doom,
Unconscious of the blast or day serene That blows or beams upon their humble tomb.
Sleep on, sweet innocents; fond mother, sleep, Till heaven shall call thee to the realms of joy,
When angels blest eternal vigils keep, And all is happiness without alloy.
[The above is copied from the stone on the vault in the East corner of St James's Churchyard, Dover]
The above melancholy event took place about six o'clock in the morning, between the Gas House and Guilford Battery. A singular circumstance occurred in connection with this fatal fall of the cliff. A pig, belonging to the family , at the rear of the premises, was buried beneath the fallen mass, and dug out alive on the 23 May 1811, after having subsisted without food, thirty feet under the surface of the earth, for the space of 160 days. The weight of the above animal was eight score when buried and on being dug out was reduced to two score. It was kept for some considerable time after, and when killed weighed 13 score 8 lbs." (Dover Express 14.1.1916 p.4 col.3)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 February 2011
18:5894182#9
Let's face it, Howard, people will be expected to spend the night in a Dover hotel, after experiencing a Kentish tradition, and this should just about resolve all problems on attracting tourism.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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25 February 2011
19:1194186#10
Sorry Alex but I don't quite grasp your point.
You can't even see that pub from the main road and then on top of that there is parking facilities, NONE.
You say no need for a cable car. well you won't see anything from the bottom of the cliffs will you.
I think the idea is to get them up to the castle to see the surrounding area and then explore.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 February 2011
19:5694216#11
The point is, Ian, the facilities are already there for people to stop over: pubs, shops and wot not all.
As for parking-space, you said it yourself, there is none! If a DTIZ centre went up for travellers to stop over and shop, at least half of the DTIZ area would have to be car-park, and that probably wouldn't even be enough. I think that this has been over-looked. One of the points of this thread was to get that message over.
And if people stopped at a DTIZ shopping centre in a limited car-park, they would not have time to go further and visit the Town-centre, as their parked cars in DTIZ would be occupying parking-space for too long, preventing other cars from parking. So the Town shops would not gain at all from a DTIZ shopping development.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 February 2011
19:5994217#12
However, it might make more sense for people to visit Dover as Dover is now, amble through the Town, stay over-night, and enjoy a cider in a pub, or a coffee in a lounge, and a nice English breakfast.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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25 February 2011
20:0494220#13
Soooo, what has The First and Last got to do with it?
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 February 2011
20:0894223#14
It is a part of Dover! I could have made a picture of Morison, or Sue's fresh fish van, all places where visitors can go.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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25 February 2011
20:2094226#15
Yes so it is Alex and my point was that there is no parking anywhere near the First And Last.
If you get visitors to park in the town why would anyone visit that particular pub with so many in the town.
This is not Canterbury, the difference being we have a main duel carriage way that runs straight through the town in both directions.
Enlighten me HOW you get people to stop and visit us?
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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25 February 2011
20:2294229#16
ian,we could allways put some tank traps across the duel carrigeway.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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25 February 2011
20:2794231#17
Now there's an idea Brian, a couple of claymores and such like.
Hang on...........................don't want to upset Nigel.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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25 February 2011
20:2894232#18
nigel who ?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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25 February 2011
20:3294240#19
Back to the houses.... this is a great section of map showing the Vernon School and other building that are now in the area covered by spoil from the tunnels !! Unfotunately I cannot check the date as I have loaned my maps file out to somone...
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 February 2011
21:4294246#20
That's the whole point, Ian. The same main duel carriage way runs past DTIZ too, making it the least likely development area for attracting visitors!
DDC's top priority here should be to 'de-risk' the area, not in the financial sense, but the ecological, and ask the Government to make possible essential measures to decrease the port-traffic pollution.
This thread has brought to light tunnels under East Street, and hopefully the Government will see the need for a tunnel under Townwall Street. This should be priority N. 1 of DDC for Townwall Street, and if it were technically possible, for Snargate Street too.
Not the never-ending attempts to build who knows what in DTIZ to attract visitors to Dover's daily pollution. I don't know what these mythical designers cost, who are supposed to be planning great developments in DTIZ lately! Have they actually been to Townwall Street, and have they been given measurements of pollution in that area?
