Keith Sansum1
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24 December 2010
14:3386352#1
on todays bbc south news today it was reported 2 south tory mp's have gone against the parties cruel hunting views and asked that the hunting ban continue
sadl not our charlie
but its a start
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 December 2010
17:0586363#2
Charlie has more common sense with that. Nothing at all cruel about hunting.
Jan Higgins
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24 December 2010
17:3386367#3
Put yourself in the role of the fox and then say it isn't cruel, Barry. I hate foxes they kill for the sake of it not always for their food.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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24 December 2010
18:4386380#4
jan
i half agree with you lol
baz
we will see how charlie is on this in time
sure he will re think on this one
anyway he looks in might be nice to get his view on cruelty to foxs(woops i mean the fox hunting)
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24 December 2010
18:5086387#5
I have mixed views about fox hunting, but do believe it is cruel to keep rabbits in small hutches where they cannot run about as they are meant to do, and never let out, for years on end. And SOME caged birds too.
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24 December 2010
21:5486406#6
The human being is the top of the food chain. The human being has nothing whatsoever to be proud about regarding his existance. He not only abuses other`s of his own species, but he also abuses every other species on the planet without exception. The fox is a mere fraction of an iceberg, a mega sized iceberg!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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24 December 2010
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 December 2010
23:0586414#8
Foxes are vermin and need to be culled, hunting them is a better way than shooting or poisoning. Anyway - this was about hunting and thats a bigger story than just foxes. Rabbits (very tasty) and deer (also very tasty) are hunted. Hunting is a natural activity for man.
The problem really is silly excessive sentimentality over animals due to our soft pampered existence. A bit pathetic at best and hypocritical at worse.
Anyway - enjoy your turkey, ham, goose and venison over Christmas, I know I will......
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 December 2010
23:1186417#9
rather a crass post barry, most of us do not torture our christmas dinner.
unlike the hunting sadists we only have something killed so that we eat it.
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24 December 2010
23:1886419#10
I rather took a dislike to your post there Barry and took you in a very different light to the person I knew.
I never knew you to be so cruel.
Death short and sweet is kind, drawn out is another thing.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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24 December 2010
23:5186423#11
Cider is taking over I think but here goes.
Barry, you have posted some cr** in the past #8 beats them all. A gamekeeper or marksman will shot a fox between the eyes and it is dead straight away the same with rabbit and deer. In the distant past, as now, a hunter stalks his prey, he does not chase it with a pack of baying hounds.
I am going to enjoy my free range turkey that was humanely killed by the butcher who reared her, yes I even know the sex.
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Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 December 2010
00:1086425#12
cant eat a fox [we tried on an army survival course] if you cant eat it don't hunt it. Foxes can be vermin depending on location and as such must be culled,but who are we to dictate as to how it is done. My dinner tomorrow is venison and i will enjoy it.
beer the food of the gods
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 December 2010
08:2486431#13
I agree that numbers of foxes need to be controlled; I also think that the whole fox-hunting scenario - horses, dogs, riders in their smart colourful outfits and the bugle, make for a spectacular site.
The bit that I am not comfortable with is the happiness it gives those people, knowing the fox is to be ripped apart.
Carry out the hunt with scent or whatever is needed to make it a success, but to get pleasure out of killing the fox in this way is, to me, not right.
The spectacle is wonderful, the killing is not.
Roger
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25 December 2010
09:0186435#14
Several points -
A fox caught by a pack is killed quickly and cleanly
Even the best marksmen will sometimes miss to wound a fox so it slinks away and dies a slow death
Shooting will kill the fit and healthy fox indesciminately, hunting tend to cull the sick and lame
To claim torture is itself crass and stupid as is the claim that hunters are sadists
Guzz - I agree who are we to dictate how foxes (or hares /rabbits, whatever) are killed, my point exactly
I repeat - people are too soft and mollycoddled theses days and view nature and animals with far too much sentimentality. I am not in favour of cruelty to animals, hunting is not cruel per'se.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 December 2010
09:0686436#15
Roger
i have already said the same, but agree with your last posting
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 December 2010
13:2386445#16
someone that shares blue barry's views on hunting.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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25 December 2010
13:2586446#17
"A fox caught by a pack is killed quickly and cleanly"? What a nonsense. In an abattoir every effort is made (at least in the non religious ones) to ensure that the animals are stunned before killing and yet the number of employees with missing teeth testifies to the occasions when the animals wake up and lash out. Having worked in a couple I can assure you of the truth in this.
When an animal is cornered by a pack it is terrified and desperately struggling for an escape. The hounds will bite and tear at whatever part they can get to and there is nothing clean or quick about it. I am sure the Aztecs made a very colourful display of human sacrifice but it could never justify it.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
25 December 2010
16:5386450#18
To capitalise n Chris' post:
"A fox caught by a pack is killed quickly and cleanly" Not usually. I used to hunt and I know.
"Even the best marksmen will sometimes miss to wound a fox so it slinks away and dies a slow death". I didn't think you cared, and this is less likely than a rather unpleasant end between the teeth of several hounds scrapping over who gets to chew the still pulsing entrails.
"Shooting will kill the fit and healthy fox indesciminately, hunting tend to cull the sick and lame" Skilled keepers know the difference
"To claim torture is itself crass and stupid as is the claim that hunters are sadists". Of cvourse hunters are sadists - that is the point of hunting. Drag hunts are just as much fun if it is the spectacle and ride to hounds that you enjoy - as I did - but that does not satisfy the bloodlusters baying for the return of the hunt.
"Guzz - I agree who are we to dictate how foxes (or hares /rabbits, whatever) are killed, my point exactly" We decide such things all the time by where we buy our food and what we eat. We are responsible.
"I repeat - people are too soft and mollycoddled theses days and view nature and animals with far too much sentimentality. I am not in favour of cruelty to animals, hunting is not cruel per'se." I agree - as a veggie I have no problem with anyone choosing to eat meat, but feel strongly that we have become divorced fro the source of food, and that causes many problems. Ripping apart foxes after a long and (for them) tiring and cruel hunt will not addres this.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 December 2010
21:0486460#19
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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25 December 2010
21:3786462#20
As someone brought up in the Country and as a lad watching the Boxing Day hunt in Sandwich it has dawned on me from the age of about 11 fox hunting is BARBARIC!
I am a meat eater but people killing animals for pleasure is sick.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
