howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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#2
I have no problem them working for benefits but do think the hour should be tied to eqivalent hourly rate for wha theyrecieve. should not be $1.90 an hour.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
The scheme is nowhere near as radical as the headline. It only applies to someone who has not been in work, training or education for 6 months. Any self respecting loafer would know to wait until the 6 months are up then ask to go on a pointless training course to get out of doing any work.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#4
If people could get grants to train to do the jobs they are actually seeking to do.
The grant system is set up for graduates only.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#5
This is a repetition of the nonsense Ian Duncan Smith tried out four years ago.
All Cameron is interested in is expanding the EU further East: to Turkey, Moldova, Ukraine, Turkmenistan, Kazachistan, Vladivostok, and in kicking the can down the road as the wages will get lower with each new arrival of people from low-wage economies, whose wages are lower the more East you go.
He'll end up campaigning for North Korea to join the EU.
All the rest he's saying about young Brits is just cynical hype.
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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You can get grants or the training if required as you can apply for it as long as you can show that there are jobs available that require it. Such as a forklift licence as an example or even IT training.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#7
Wrong Darren
On the forklift license they only fund the cheap one that will not get you a job ,and its only for people that are long term unemployed .
industry need telehandler forklift £2000 training fee not the worthless £100 small fork lift that business do not want
and its around £3000 to get a lorry license
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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Well the information I got from when I took redundancy was that you could, you just got to slap them in the face with it. There are plenty of other courses that give you a lift that you can do. Myself I gone the university route while still working.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#9
People should have access to student loans for all training ,not just for mainly middle class graduates.
All repayments should be linked to your tax code and state pension for recovery
We have people that cannot even afford to do the driving test to improve their employability.
We are even importing bus And lorry driver when we could be training our own people.
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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#10
I am not middle class and there are plenty of graduates who are not either. And you can do lower level qualifications also and plenty of other stuff that is funded.
What is the point of putting someone through a driving test that they cannot afford as they would not be able to afford to run a car. A car is not a be all and end all as there are plenty of other ways to get to work. Bus, train, get a lift, walk, cycle.
At the end of the day if people are not willing to try or look for oppurtunities then all they are going to do is whine.
Bus drivers get trained as only have to have driving licence and then get trained once successful, seen stagecoach advertise several times for bus drivers.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We then go back to the problem of getting an ordinary driving licence in order to apply for a job at Stagecoach. Driving lessons are beyond the pocket of young unemployed people.
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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Then they apply for something else then. I did not have a licence until my 30's and managed to find work.
Next it will be the case of they don't have a 4 bedroom house to live in and no internet or luxuries so we need to pay for that (sarcasm) but the real issue is the want of that person to work not a case of this or that training. Depending what age they are they can still do training in a whole host of fields yet if they have not the gumption to do it, it is back to the "they can't be arsed". Even if older there are oppurtunities and they need to go and seize them not just moan about it.
Stop making excuses.
As for the article, they should get at least min wage for the hours they work for their benefits and the work should be relevant or enable them to learn basic skills that they can build on. May be better that they work towards a NVQ that they can carry on with if they find employment.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Making excuses?? You made references to Stagecoach looking for drivers, no-one else did.
How can anyone get a job as a bus driver without a driving licence?
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You'll be good in a graduate job Darren ,you already think your above and disserving of more than the rest.
Why should you get funding for a university cores when some one cannot get funding to train to do a driving job or construction ?
Providing all funding should be reclaimed when the student is in employment
The only exception to this should be NHS workers, under contract to serve a set time to repay the taxpayer in service.
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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Howard I mean excuses in general. If you wanted to be a bus driver you would go for it by getting a job and then paying for your licence. And I mentioned stagecoach as an example as Keith had said about importing bus drivers.
And that is utter crap Keith in no way do I think I am above or deserving of others, but I do believe people should try and better themselves or strive for a better life.
Why should I not go for a university course if I am able to? Get a better job and pay more tax, pay for my tuition loan, improve the quality of life for my family, have more opportunities.
The threshold for paying back a tuition fee loan is lower than the national average wage. Why tie in NHS workers?
The opportunity is there for everyone.
And there are plenty of employers who employ people and pay for their training.
CSCS card for labourer and you can probably get funding from jobcentre plus or even do NVQ II as they are often free to do if not done one or through work. Bottom of ladder but a start.
As the topic was about young unemployed they can go to college and it will be paid for, or apprenticeship. Think threshold 25.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Look Darren if a man with no money and out of work wishes to borrow £2000 and do a recognised driving test to become a driver or other , and then pay the money back then why not ?
It's a fantasy for you to think that all them free training opportunities are out their they are not.
We spend millions on graduates ,when we could stretch that cash a long way on non graduate training.
Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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No fantasy as I have done them, from IT courses to maths. They are there and even done training within work for NVQ's and first aid.
There is just as much spent on non graduate training which is not loans or debt building.
We will disagree about this all day long. Regarding learning to drive there was that initiative for getting youngsters CBT trained and mopeds/bikes.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There is always an argument for not getting on, excuses for not doing better.
You may as well give up arguing Darren, but well done for trying to show people the way to better themselves.
A big question for young people is why are they unemployed or unemployable ? Is it because they bunked off school, is it because they thought it "cool" not to pay attention or get a good education ?
You can't just say it's because they come from a poor family - being poor doesn't mean stupid (unless it's because of the above)
That's why Grammer schools are so important.
Roger
Jan Higgins
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Roger Walkden wrote:
A big question for young people is why are they unemployed or unemployable ? Is it because they bunked off school, is it because they thought it "cool" not to pay attention or get a good education ?
Or is it they are idle but also devious and know how to give bad interviews so they do not get a job and can continue on benefits possibly like their parents.
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Reginald Barrington
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#20
Roger Walkden wrote:
That's why Grammer schools are so important.
? I don't understand your tenuous link to Grammar schools. ?
Arte et Marte