Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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The only good councillors are the ones that want to concentrate on representing their communities on behalf of the communities.
The others that simply want to exchange insults and throw mud pies at their opposites are simply not worthy of representing those communities.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We need to get rid of most of them
I never go to counsellors; I just present my self at the council offices or ring in.
Most of the councillors are on expenses, twisting the knife and jumping on every cash horse that is trotting past.
All we need is a counsel warden doing inspections of council property and responsibilities.
With counsellors we general see them attaching them selves to projects, drawing extra cash for them selves.
Volunteers in the community are a different breed and should be encouraged by the big council
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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councillors have set expenses keith, the information is in the public domain online and in the local press.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
I do not want to enter into another negative war of attrition with you again as that is what is turning members away from this forum.
However, what I said about councillors in my #61 post, also applies to members of the community such as yourself.
"I never go to counsellors; I just present my self at the council offices or ring in"
Perhaps that's why you say such stupid things about them.
How can you make purposeful comments on them if you do not connect with them?
"Most of the councillors are on expenses, twisting the knife and jumping on every cash horse that is trotting past".
No, that is not true.
Some yes but most definitely not most.
legitimate expenses are necessary and with some that do not even claim expenses, to generalize like you do is aggressively pointless and un-founded.
"All we need is a counsel warden doing inspections of council property and responsibilities"
The council does not run housing anymore, they shed their responsibilities on that one.
A bad decision as far as I am concerned.
"With counsellors we general see them attaching them selves to projects, drawing extra cash for them selves"
I think these types of accusations needs to be backed up with proof.
Perhaps you would like to enlighten us a bit more with further evidence of this?
"Volunteers in the community are a different breed and should be encouraged by the big council"
These people need your support and positive thinking.
These people don't go gobbing off about what's wrong and who's at fault, they actually get on with things and make a difference(quietly)
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Haw much is Mr. Wallis getting, just out of interest ?
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
Sorry, I missed one.
"We need to get rid of most of them"
We only need to replace the ones that simply want to challenge the opposite party, indulge in "playground politics" and have no interest or intentions of doing what they were voted to do, in the first place.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
If that question is for me, who is Mr Wallis?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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It's not for you
Mr. Wallis is the man the rest are talking about.
see 55
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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See 55, it is Wallace named in that post
Audere est facere.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Peter Wallace DDC Labour Councillor for Maxton and Elms Vale. Keith, the information that you are asking for is a matter of public record.
He's made no claims for hospitality or gifts, he's entitled to expenses as per DDC public policy on such, available from their website and the same annual allowance as all other councillors (when I last checked this was £3,980 per annum). So, since elected last year, the public record shows that he has had the annual allowance allowed to all councillors for which he has put in a great deal of effort and out of hours working knocking on doors, talking to constituents, listening to concerns and problems, providing assistance to constituents and attending meetings and events whose outcomes will affect the well being of his constituents.
Peter is not alone in working for the people of the area which elected him; a fair number of councillors of all colours and none do the same day in and day out throughout their tenure. I just wish that all of them would put local needs and concerns ahead of personal and party political agendas and dogma.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Neil
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Possibly he's knocking doors for his party?
He may spends around 2 hours a week dealing with non political issues.£50 PH
Peters posted a post some time back,, if I remember rightly Mr. cowen £40k a year I think ,but I could be wrong ?
Maybe somebody can post the link for all the councillors,
I know Mr. Samson's is very interested in this
Maybe we could start a thread ,,shine the light on all our elected officials earnings expenses and interests.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you are stirring needlessly keith it is on public record what every town, district and county councillor collects in the way of expenses including your own ukip councillors.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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When Peter goes knocking on doors, he is knocking and talking on behalf of the Labour group that he is a member of - naturally
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that at all. Someone mentioned supporting communities, that's why I wanted to be a Councillor, to help people in the area I live and where I can, improve the area too - in as many ways as possible.
Just because I don't go knocking on doors all the time, doesn't make me a bad Councillor - does it ?
For the record, I haven't claimed any travel expenses or anything, other than the basic allowances (about £65 (net) per week) for as long as I can remember. I am not bleeding the public purse.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Of course Keith B goes on dangerous ground, as you recall it was the UKIP Kent party to which he has such high thoughts of
and a member of that said it would sort out the Expenses at KCC
first speech by UKIP leader on KCC was about how nice the tories are!!!
and that his party should get even bigger expenses!!!!!!!
now back to the thread,
I know peter Wallace who does connect well with the electorate, and I disagree with Roger trying to give the impression hes some kind of neutral whilst peter Wallace is political,
Peter(like roger(/) joined the council to help communities.
So lets look a bit deeper into this debate(iv tried before, but it ended up with parties closing down, and ridicule) but I will try again.
So, having mentioned Kent(Dover) UKIP double standards on Expenses/allowances no wonder there quiet
apart from maverick member, who of course has the freedom to say what he likes(quite right to) but no idea if UKIP Dover supports his views.
on to allowances in general;
I firmly still believe decisions should be made as local as possible, Town councils(with the right people ) is a good starting point, but allowing local communitiies to run there own communities in a far bigger way would be another way forward.
Of course having 3 councils KCC DDC DTC is 1 or 2 to many, and the cost of DDC(£25 million?)
KCC(£2billion) so maybe looking at an East kent council worth looking at.
If, as I suspect we wont get there, even with the present structure, although to heavy, cllrs could be reduced on all the councils by quite a large number.
its a complete joke in priory to have 4 town councillors 3 District councillors and 2 county councillors
all falling over each other.
Councillors are not accountable apart from 4 yearly elections, and moves have always been resisted to make them more accountable.
Maybe 15 full time cllrs would be a good start, but with that accountable to the electorate day to day and able to find options for an early exit if not up to scratch. not sure how this could be done, but worth a debate.
that will do for starters
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Some good points Keith.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I do try
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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So our councillors are getting around £100 a week for one or 2 hours work, that's a very good part time job indeed ,,should we be paying this ?
A normal working person would have to work 2 days in a factory to get this
But we have a even bigger thing going on with politicians and there supporters,
Lots of projects ,schemes ,community initiatives ,redevelopment committees ,and things like this come along.
The money for this will mostly come from you in taxes /EU grants
When you look at the people that suddenly attach them selves to these projects, you discover they are Some times connected to the politicians in some way ,,basic cronyism .
The wages for these individuals can be very rewarding , its sometimes even there family members.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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district councils get paid a flat rate of about 70 quid keith, they get nothing for the car mileage, bus fares etc incurred.
i doubt there are many that just put in an hour or two a week, besides council meetings there is a lot of case work with constituents.
it goes without saying that some put in many hours and others don't.
last time i checked town councillors get 450 quid a year although some don't claim it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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agree there howard
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