howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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An intriguing article from the Telegraph.
Earth may well have been visited by UFOs from outer space, the former head of a secret US government programme has told The Telegraph. Luis Elizondo said the existence of supremely advanced unidentified aircraft, using technology that did not belong to any nation, had been "proved beyond reasonable doubt".
Until two months ago, from his office on the fifth floor of The Pentagon, Mr Elizondo, a career intelligence officer, ran the innocuously named Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which was funded with $22 million in "black ops money" from Congress. The existence of the real-life X-Files department, which began in 2007, was revealed this week and confirmed by the Pentagon.
In an interview with the Telegraph Mr Elizondo said much of what he could discuss was still classified.
That included whether his team had examined UFO sightings in other countries including the UK, or spoken to witnesses. I am not at liberty to discuss that," he said. "But we took a very comprehensive approach. Nothing was too small to investigate." He added: "In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. I hate to use the term UFO but that's what were looking at. "I think it's pretty clear this is not us, and it's not anyone else, so one has to ask the question where they're from." The exact number of UFO sightings investigated, and witnesses interviewed, is also classified but Mr Elizondo said there had been "lots".
Geographical "hot spots" emerged during the investigations, sometimes near nuclear facilities and power plants. Common factors between the movements of separate unidentified objects had also been identified by the Pentagon team. "It was enough where we began to see trends and similarities in incidents," he said. "There were very distinct observeables. Extreme manoeuvrability, hypersonic velocity without a a sonic boom, speeds of 7-8,000mph, no flight surfaces on the objects. A lot of this is backed with radar signal data, gun camera footage from aircraft, multiple witnesses. "There was never any display of hostility but the way they manoeuvred, in ways no-one else in the world had, you have to be conscious something could happen." After the existence of the secret programme was revealed this week attention focused on the release of footage of an unidentified object off San Diego in 2004. US Navy pilot Commander David Fravor, flying an FA-18 near the object, described seeing a "white Tic Tac, about 40ft long with no wings" which was "something not from the Earth".
Mr Elizondo said Commander Fravor was a "national hero" for speaking out. He said: "The social stigma about this is unbelievable, it's very challenging. There are many other Commander Fravors out there who have come forward (to us), but he's brave enough to discuss his experience publicly." Fravor's encounter with an unidentified aircraft of some kind -- whitish -- that was around 40 feet long and oval in shape, over the Pacific while on a training mission in 2004 caught the attention of a Pentagon program investigating
Mr Elizondo said he had not preconceived ideas when he took the helm of the Pentagon programme, but later became convinced by what he saw. "We [career intelligence officers] tend to be sceptics by nature. For some of us working on it the time came as an 'Aha!' moment, for others it was a slow progress towards the realisation that these are probably not any type of aircraft in any national inventory.
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Guest 2431- Registered: 22 Dec 2017
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Most people already know we're not alone. FBI have declassified a vast bunch of documents and reports, all confirming various UFO sightings here on Earth and even various contacts with humans on a lot of different subjects.
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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Chaps. We have been scanning the cosmos for decades without the sniff of detecting anything. There are lots of plausible stories but there is never any proof. Science cannot begin to explain how such craft could cover the vast distances between the Earth and our nearest life hosting planet.
It remains a demonstrable fact, however, that there is one born every minute here on this Earth.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Stuart you are referring to science known to us, other planets may host much more superior beings and the evidence of these cynical hard nosed FBI and military coves suggest that one at least does. Many a time we hear experts say a planet cannot have life as we know it, those last three words need to be stressed.
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Weird Granny Slater
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There was a documentary back in the late 70s called something like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. There were some shots of a great big multicoloured spaceship and some littler ones too, all flying around Wyoming. And the tunes were good. Apparently it's nothing to worry about, and it was all invented by some Hungarian chap called Kodály.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Brian Dixon
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like this one
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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#4 Not so, Howard. My arguments are based upon the laws which we have come to understand that govern the universe. Specifically, in this case, that speed beyond that of light is unattainable.
Personally, I have no doubt that other life exists. Logic tells us that, even within the constraints (if you can call them that) of our own galaxy.
The issue at stake here is whether other life has visited us in some tangible way. Of that, there is not one shred of evidence. Nor is there any explanation as to how the immense distances involved could have been overcome.
There's a great deal of serious thought on this subject by some of our most renowned physicists and cosmologists available on the internet. I'm merely echoing their conclusions.
Button
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Have you never thought, when perusing the internet, good grief which planet do they live on? I rest my case.
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TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
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Stuart Honey wrote:Chaps. We have been scanning the cosmos for decades without the sniff of detecting anything. There are lots of plausible stories but there is never any proof. Science cannot begin to explain how such craft could cover the vast distances between the Earth and our nearest life hosting planet.
It remains a demonstrable fact, however, that there is one born every minute here on this Earth.
I remember liking Russell Brand's take on this type of thing:
My Cat is a Thing.
The Internet is a thing.
My Cat's mind surely cannot have any comprehension of the complexities of The Internet.
But The Internet exists.
Therefore? Surely it must stand to reason? That? Just maybe? There are things that are, to us, like The Internet is to cats?
Just too big for our tiny brains?
Happy Birthday to The Baby Jesus.
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Guest 2431- Registered: 22 Dec 2017
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You don’t just travel with the speed of light. You just fold the space and go through. It’s called “a wormhole travel” or something.
Why we don’t see them if aliens are here? A strong point. A very “strong” point.
Can you tell us gents, can you see:
• Electricity;
• Magnetic fields;
• Gravity;
• Oxygen;
• Nitrogen;
• Vacuum;
• And many more unseeable things.
If you don’t see the gravity, your answer is not “there’s no gravity”; your answer is “I know so little”. Unless...you want to start questioning things you don’t see, because if you question vacuum just on the theory of “I can’t see it”, this sounds outrageous like a Jaguar XJ6 on a 1.0 Volkswagen engine.
Just ‘cause we don’t see it — doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Guest 2431- Registered: 22 Dec 2017
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A lot of cover ups happening when you sleep. Where do you exactly think you’re gonna see it? The newspapers controlled by the Gvt? The TV? YouTube owned by Google? Come on, you can’t be that serious!
Yanks have a separate Area called “51” for these alien creeps.
Just watch at the skies how fast sometimes things are moving. And you want to tell me it’s all comets?
Most comets cannot travel with no more than 100 km/h.
The Churyumov-Gerasimenko comet was estimated to have a total mass of around 1x10^13 kg +/- 10 percent, or roughly 10 trillion kilograms.
Who really bealieves that an object with a insane mass like that will travel that fast? Because by watching the skies at night, I do see commercial aircraft and they’re moving SO SLOW. Their speed tops at around 1,000 km/h. If something moves like “yahhhhh” in the skies, by my simple calcs, that’s probably moving at least 300 times faster. 300 x 1,000 = 300,000 km/h. What comes with the appr. weight of 10 trillion kilograms makes that speed, mate?
Failure. Epic failure.
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Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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Good Lord! OK - I give up. I'm a chastened man. We're being invaded in our sleep by intellects far superior to ours. Violinni - I'm not going to do the maths with you. It's Christmas morning and there are more important things to think about. A polite suggestion - send your email to Stephen Hawking. I understand he is known for responding objectively to such missives. Wait until you get his response before you start using terms like "epic failure". Or perhaps you consider yourself a tad brighter?
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Button- Location: Dover
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The real question is, if they're so intelligent, why on earth (hah ha) are they here?
Of course, it's entirely possible that they came to visit the dinosaurs but got delayed, word not having got back that River doesn't have a direct service anymore.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Blimey, that homebrew sherry must be double-strength this year. Surely everyone knows that humankind is a Tralfamadorian manipulation, devised simply to provide a spare part for one of their ships that got stranded on Titan after a breakdown. Well, according to Kurt Vonnegut, that is. Excuse me while I pop back into the chrono-synclastic infundibulum to open my presents.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Blimey, that homebrew sherry must be double-strength this year. Surely everyone knows that humankind is a Tralfamadorian manipulation, devised simply to provide a spare part for one of their ships that got stranded on Titan after a breakdown. Well, according to Kurt Vonnegut, that is. Excuse me while I pop back into the chrono-synclastic infundibulum to open my presents.
That's easy for you to say!!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I much prefer hard evidence such as this chap that visited in the 50s.
Reginald Barrington
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I much prefer hard evidence such as this chap that visited in the 50s.
Fake news alert! Howard he's sat on an Ikea Poang chair designed in late 70's. Fake news alert!
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Button wrote:The real question is, if they're so intelligent, why on earth (hah ha) are they here?
Of course, it's entirely possible that they came to visit the dinosaurs but got delayed, word not having got back that River doesn't have a direct service anymore.
1. Resources. I heard that
gold is cannot be found just about anywhere in the galaxy. Isn't it strange that gold was cherished even by retards living 20 centuries before Christ was born too? The Egyptians also put a ton of gold around their necks and were obsessed by it, for a reason. Why not silver, copper, but gold? Silver is shiny too, right? It's not about shininess.
2. Workforce. If they move the economics and they infiltrated all Governments, we could be their very own workforce. Cheap workers building whatever they need. As a gratitude they release iPhones and useless crap every year so we can work and produce even more, get “hungrier”, get more motivated. Consumerism is here for a reason.
Guest 2431- Registered: 22 Dec 2017
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Stuart Honey,
Gold is the best conductor of electricity. It conducts electricity and heat SO GOOD!
Gold can be found in every motherboard, PCB, wires, everything really! Gold is not for decoration, mate.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Tune in tomorrow folks for the next instalment of this surreal thread, look out they're behind you!
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