howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 February 2011
12:2892842#41
john
what was the income from fines for dog fouling?
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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16 February 2011
13:0592852#42
I know what the answer to this question was when I last asked it in the 90s but things have probably changed now.
Are other council officers able to issue tickets for dog fouling? I'm thinking of the Civil Enforcements Officers, better known as trafffic wardens.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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16 February 2011
14:0592857#43
They didn't know but I guess it was zero,I did ask about Civil Enforcement Officers but was told it is just a change of name and that their duties would not change from Traffic Wardens but I need to study the 2006 act.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 February 2011
16:3892862#44
i cannot believe they do not keep records of fines john, we can only asume that none were issued.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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16 February 2011
17:0092866#45
It was not because they don't keep records Howard it is because the Accountants there couldn't tell me,when you see the big numbers we were talking about and someone asks how much we got for dog fouling it was a bit much to ask.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
08:1092942#46
I asked the Council last year and they were able to tell me, I can't remember what the sum was, but in hundreds not thousands; I understand the number fined/prosecuted was about 3, may have been 5, but it was a small number.
I have asked Chris Allen to discuss with the Chief Constable about widening the powers of PCSOs and abpout DDC expanding the duties of the Enforcement Officers, but I believe that will need a political will, so a Cabinet Member will have to request that.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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17 February 2011
09:0392946#47
I once asked an enforcement officer why they did not have powers over dog fouling, littering, cycling on footways, etc. and was told that their union would demand higher pay for the additional workload and that the council would not increase wages. With no political will to overcome those obstacles, the status quo remains.
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Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
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17 February 2011
09:1792947#48
If they have no powers beyond parking what was the point of changing their name?
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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17 February 2011
09:1992949#49
A good question, Terry.
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Guest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
10:4792958#50
Not sorting out the dog poo problem will hardly encourage people to come to Dover. Walking between the town and my brother's house at River means we spend the whole time dodging and side-stepping, with conversaton consisting solely of "Look out for that!" "Mind that!" "Watch out!" The paths were disgraceful, and one in particular we couldn't use because it was so filthy. It's clear, also, from the way the poo is spread along the paths, that people are treading in the poo and then walking it further. It's horrible.
We were in another town recently, and there wasn't a trace of poo. Such a difference. They can keep their town clean - why can't we?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 February 2011
07:3693258#51
Lack of will perhaps Maggie ?
Maybe we have more irresponsible dog-owners who just don't give a (no, I'm not going to use that word) damn about where they live.
Maybe it's a matter of priorities and dog-poo and all the subsequent dangers of it - and the mess of course, is felt to be less, not more important, than other responsibilities.
Maybe the Town Council would pay for a dog-warden; perhaps it's something the Parish Councils would be happy to fund - by putting the cost on their precept; either way, we'd all pay for it, but it is a service we need - isn't it ?
Roger
Jan Higgins
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19 February 2011
08:4393266#52
If there was a crackdown for a couple of months that would do the trick, most of the offending owners would be caught in that time.
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Keith Sansum1
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19 February 2011
08:5093270#53
it would be interesting to know how many prosecutions there have been, as there have been some.
local rags dont find these gd news stories so even though informed don't publish
the fines of £25 are to low and the cost of going through the courts
solicitor fees etc have to b weighed up on cost effective lines
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Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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19 February 2011
08:5593272#54
So, given that the Civil Enforcement Officers don't do anything about it (and to my mind they should), is it down to PCSO's and PC's then?
Terry
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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19 February 2011
08:5893273#55
terry
there have been a number of prosecutions but they dont get published
of course to play devils advocate
you have to be there the time the dog squats lol
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Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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19 February 2011
09:1893276#56
Exactly Keith, that is my point, there are more CEO's (or appear to be) than PCSO's so all the more likelyhood of being there at the time.
Terry
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Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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19 February 2011
09:2193277#57
Perhaps changing the name was just a PR exercise as "Traffic Wardens" always got a bad press.
Terry
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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19 February 2011
09:2793278#58
third time
there have been prosecutions
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Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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19 February 2011
09:4693279#59
You don't need to labour the point Keith I got it the first time. My point was, the more people on the streets with the power to do something about it then the more the problem would be sorted.
Terry
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
10:5393287#60
i think i have asked this question before, but what is the difference between a ceo and a pcso?
