howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
The main two have now finished and I have to take due consideration to eating my words. To me Ed has always come across as a bell end but over this campaign has upped his game. Dave kept on about doubling the debt or using his words "finishing the job" but looked second rate after Ed took the platform. He admitted to errors from his party in the past which hits a chord with people and his categorical statement that there would be no deal under any circumstances with the SNP made him look like Prime Minister material.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#2
Wrong Howard, he still came across a weapons grade bell end and did a Neil Kinnock by tripping over leaving the stage.
Utterly useless, inept, naive, weirdy beardy without the beard.
Epic failure.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#3
Just shows that people will have a different view even looking at the same program.
The big problem to me is that Labour and its supporters, are still in denial. Ed said it tonight - that he didn't agree that the last Labour Government overspent, even though the note left said "sorry, there's no money left".
Roger
Jan Higgins
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#4
I have to smile when I hear Ed say he will not do a deal with the SNP. I doubt he would have to do an 'official' deal as it is obvious the SNP will back almost any Labour plan simply because they are so anti Tory. I never thought I would say this but I am beginning to wonder if it would have been a good idea if the Scottish Yes vote had won.
I did not bother watching QT as I have already posted my postal vote like others who have done the same.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#5
In a search for precedents, it's worth studying the history of the 1918 Irish general election and its aftermath. Sinn Fein won every single seat south of the present border, ousting the IPP which had previously enjoyed a majority there. Within a few weeks the Dail issued a unilateral declaration of independence and the Irish Free State was established in 1922, later becoming the Irish Republic.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
I don't know when the next election for the scottish parliament is but I suspect the SNP would not win all the seats in it.
A snap poll on the Question Time debate gave Dave 44% Ed 38% and Nick 19%.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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#7
Scottish parliament election are next year, and are run on a proportional representation basis. So no, the SNP will not win all the seats. Given their recent surge however, they will want to win another majority up there, and will be very cautious as to how supporting a Labour minority at Westminster will effect their vote in Scotland. If helping Labour down here starts hurting them up there, expect them to start making life difficult for Miliband.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#8
I'm still waiting for that Scottish woman to be grilled on why she isn't standing for Parliament if she is so adamant she is going to impose her will on the whole of the UK after the election. If that happens . . .
I predict a Riothoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
Good point ray after all Nigel Farage has made it clear that he will stand down as leader if not elected. I think Ed has outflanked her with his downright refusal to do a deal with the SNP. Ms Sturgeon is well aware that her party could ensure the blues get in, something that would horrify most Scots.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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#10
Ed hasn't outflanked anybody. If anything he's leaving his party woefully exposed. The idea that the SNP will passively support a Labour minority government, and get nothing in return, is pure fantasy. It is political suicide for them to be seen to be supporting Labour unless they can clearly point to policy changes that they have influenced. The "locking the Tories out of Downing Street" card will count for little when, for example, Labour and the Tories join forces to ensure Trident is renewed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
That is not how I see it, Sturgeon seemed clearly rattled by the refusal of Ed to play ball. She knows that there is a strong likelihood that many of her voters would switch back to the Reds if it stopped David Cameron forming a government.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#12
seeing what Miliband and Sturgeon say is like watching two bald men fighting over a comb. Both on the extreme left, both playing very dangerous games in terms of the future of our economy, both champions of welfarestatism and both wanting to suck us all dry through massive tax hikes.
Hopefully most sensible people will see what is going on and consider the prospects for their children and grand children if any of these two manage to get hold of any power, however small.
You only have to look at the consequences of Miliband's climate change act to see the writing on the wall.
It's really rather terrifying.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#13
Ed,s cabinet will do the deal.
And the Tories will be kicking them selves that they sacrificed government by refusing lords reform.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
You could be right, Andy Burnham has intimated that a deal would be struck but Ed seemed rather adamant.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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#15
How can anyone believe what all these pms wannabe say? I personally lost any trust in politics ... sadly ...
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#16
Well said Heike, judging by the way politicians (of all persuasions) have behaved over the last twenty or more years, I wouldn't believe anything they say, I wouldn't trust them to do anything to benefit me personally or the country in general, and I will be voting for the least likely candidate in my area as a protest against them.