Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
#1
Watch and listen, a longish speech from Dan Hannen but entertaining....
He speaks for most of the Conservative Party much more so than Cameron and if you really want to get out you need to be inside the Party, with Dan Hannan, not undermining him and the cause in UKIP. Worth adding that Dan's speech lasts 41 minutes not the 1 hour plus of the video.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
He's been riding the gravy train for 15 years like so many others, if he really is so opposed he would stand down and try for a seat in the commons.
Localism is his battle cry, let's see some action to match the words.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
#3
I've met and corresponded with Dan, I like him, but he's a coward. He is an MEP who doesn't have the balls to stand as an MP and campaign to leave the EU. He has a cushy number and earns well from his excellent journalism.
He's a comfort blanket to spineless tories who continue to vote for a party that has no intention of leaving the EU. If Dan is to be taken seriously he needs to become an MP and challenge Cameron to the leadership.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
David
UKIP is clearly nothing but a big con-trick on the public who do not have the Limpdems to run to any more.
All it is about is anti-establishment, anti-politics, trying to feed off resentment (not always unjustified resentment I agree). If it really wanted to get out of the EU then you would be embracing allies from all Parties on the issue, you certainly would not be attacking our most prominent Eurosceptic in a manner that belittles you as a candidate.
You would certainly not work as hard as you do to help Millband into government either.
Howard - be thankful that we have a prominent, vocal and articulate insider in the EU to expose their authoritarian self aggrandisment.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#5
Barry, I represent UKIP, if Ed gets power that means we have won seats, happy days, Cameron is spineless and duplicitous I can't wait to see the back of him. The tories are not UKIP allies, they are a party that is clinging to power without principles or direction beyond the fear of labour. Grant Shapps is Tory Chairman, he is nauseous.
I'm sorry Barry but your abuse of UKIP is the very reason for our growth, you fell for Cameron and look where it got you, now you're pining for Hannan who is perfectly happy to ride the gravy train and agitate from a distance. He's a perfect example of how gutless you lot have become, heaven knows what Mrs T would make of these modern tories, well actually I do know, so do you.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
UKIP need only split the vote to let Milliband in without getting any MPs. Your electoral arithmatic is very dodgy to say the least.
One thing for certain about Mrs T is that she would have been warning people not to split the right wing vote and vote Conservative.
Whatever doubts I have about Cameron I know there is only one way to get rid of the HRA, get out of the EU, boost the economy with tax cuts and secure the economic recovery and that is to vote Conservative.
Abuse UKIP - no, I have just made it clear that there is nothing really new or fresh about UKIP, it is just another load of politicians in a no-hope party that can only drive this country deeper into the EU by getting Milliband elected. As I said a con-trick. Anyone serious about any of the major issues need to vote for a serious party that is contending for power and that is Labour and Conservative and Labour would mean economic collapse.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#7
Barry you do amuse me, so many tories getting into a lather because a party has had the temerity to challenge them.
Look at Hannan, you call him "The man to get us out of the EU", how on earth will he do that from Brussels? Every single UKIP MEP is running for parliament, Dan is taking the money and talking the talk but he doesn't have the bottle to run for parliament and walk the walk.
You're stuck with the EU loving PM, Carswell and Reckless have shown courage and conviction, Dan is happy making speeches from his comfort zone.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#8
for starters this sums up the tories quite well.
as for the chap above in #1 no more than a scrounger on good money,with no intrest in getting out of Europe.all the time he is on a good earner.
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
#9
Actually Barry, the only "con-trick" doing the rounds at the moment is the conservative assertion that our only hope of leaving the EU is to elect your party in order to get a referendum. However, whilst that may well be the case, we all know that if and when a referendum did in fact materialise it would be preceded by Dave and his cabinet chums spending God knows how much of taxpayers money in a brainwashing attempt to "educate and suitably inform" the population as to the catastrophy awaiting the country should we be so stupid as to vote to leave.
In order to back up Cameron`s stance he will also no doubt be given a few meaningless throw away concessions by the EU which will prove, according to him, that his "renegotiations" have been a complete success and a better deal obtained for the UK. This will be absolute rubbish of course and a lie of the highest order.
Any such referendum is therefore utterly pointless and not worth the bother, apart from Dave being able to tell us that he was, after all, a man of his word and kept his promise in giving us a say.
People are continuing in numbers to join UKIP simply because either your party or labour have lost all of their credibility. The electorate have at last woken up to the lies and deceit. A good point being Cameron`s very recent statement on the BBC`s "Today" programme that he had actually managed to cut the EU spending budget. Totally untrue, which proves that he`s either a complete and utter fool or a bare faced liar, it has to be one of those!
Still, there`s a saying isn`t there........"you can fool some of the people some of the time" etc., etc!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#10
Absolutely spot on with your assessment John, those of us that remember the previous referendum know that politicos were 2 - 1 for staying in, money spent in the campaign was 2 - 1 for staying in, leaflets through the letterbox were 2 - 1 for staying in, you can guess the margin of victory for staying in.
Dave got some post conference bounce from his wildly applauded speech giving his party a 1% lead in the latest opinion poll but once the dust settles it will come clear that the chances of the blues getting a clear majority next May are almost zero.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#11
"He speaks for most of the Conservative Party much more so than Cameron . . " - I've always thought that if the Conservative leadership represented the views of its membership there would be no need for UKIP to exist.
However, there could be a massive shock for both main parties in the by-elections next week, not at Clacton but at Heywood and Middleton. If UKIP win there it will show Labour are also vulnerable to them, and Cameron's joke about 'Vote for Nigel and wake up with Ed' is showing how little he understands the situation.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 2,438
#12
I imagine a lot of the Tory dissenters voted for Cameron and woke up with Clegg ;-)
Audere est facere.
