Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#1
There are many facts that point to that way of thinking and over the next week I will be putting my views over to you in the way I think.
The first one is in the 1960 I got on well when I was a backroom worker for the blues a very well know MP at that time,and he said (Q) Vic take it from me that the reds will only ever win the elections at the blues wish to lose and that will be the case always"
And the facts at this time point to just that.
This is just one of them now to think about.
The blues have told us that we will get the vote in 2017 if they get back into power about our wish to come out of the EU.well we all know that the reds wish us to stay in the EU so if they get back into power we will be told that the UK is staying in the EU.
So the blues will turn round and blame them even that they also have no wish to take the UK out of the EU.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#2
Fact two. The blues do not have the funds to put up a good fight at this time so they will do a very low key one making it overall Odds the reds will win. We are seeing that happening now local They are not shouting the odds with the reds and it is the same over the UK .It is also a well own fact that it is us older voters that have a great wish to come out of the EU because we know what a good trading nation we was years ago.
By the time comes round again for voting for coming out of the EU which will be about 2022 a lot of us older ones might not be around and the voters at that time will only know the UK as a member of the EU in so making any vote at that time easy to stay in.More facts to come later I have to go out.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#3
I am hoping to see lots of views on this one. Thank you even if you disagree with me.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#4
they certainly didn't want to win deep down in 1997 and 2001, they didn't expect to win in 1992 and had no new ideas when they won unexpectedly.
i think dave would like a similar result in 2015 that they got in 2010, easy to put the blame on a coalition partner when things go wrong.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#5
You are right,
In the 1960s when I was helping them out they put up a candidate for MP in Dover a Mr Tom Stacty or a name like that he was a reporter for the Evening Standard in London and he was not liked by press and the public of Dover
I said to the committee who was picking the candidate at the time"You know he is not liked in Dover so why are you putting him up" I was taken to one side and told do not let this out Vic we know we will not get in this time so that is why we are letting him stand just as a night watchman till the next time.
At this time what with UKIP and the Lib/dem who will lose a lot of seats next time round the blues know that they will not get in and even if they did it will by just afew seats like this time and they would have to aske again both the lib/dem and even UKIP who might just get a few seats to back them up so they could go to the Queen and tell her they can rule again with the other two partys help.
That would never work for a full five years.
So they will not try to win this time even knowing that they are putting their own MPS in the Lions den that only got in last time by a few votes like our own MP if he is to win he is going to have to do all the running by himself and he is not up to that so he will not get back in.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#6
This is all fact over the many years I have been following them it has happen time and time again.
As I was told the reds will only ever get in IF the blues want them to.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#7
The facts are if the public want to come out of the EU THAN THE LAST PARTY FOR THEM TO VOTE IS UKIP YES THATS RIGHT UKIP if they vote the blues back in than that is the only way to get out because the blues have said we will get the vote to come out or stay in that will be 2017.
The blues also know like I do that UKIP will get most of their votes from the blues and the LIB/DEM not the reds so if you vote for UKIP or the lib/dem all you are going to do is let the reds in by the back door.
So do not vote UKIP or LiB/ Dem vote for the reds if you support them and staying in the EU or vote Blues if you wish to come out of the EU.This is a fact
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#8
You are very slow with your views maybe you are like me fed up with all of them and the way they are acting that you will not vote for any party but if you do that it also will help the reds.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#9
i don't think that is true anymore about vote ukip get red.
originally it was disaffected blues that moved across and that was very damaging to cameron as many were leading activists and the type of people that will be missed at election time.
in recent times it is former red voters or those who don't normally vote that have bedded down with ukip, i know this from personal experience as well as stuff i have read from respected journalists.
people don't believe that there will be a referendum under the blues anyway.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#10
no we will not get one,not under blues,reds,yellows or ukip.
we probably go in via the back doors with a favorble out come.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#11
Thank you for your views on this lets hope we get more.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#12
when the need be the reds turn out better then the blues as we are seeing in Dover they will get in next time with about 30 more seats then the next party and that will also make the blues happy because that will keep us in the UK and they will turn round and say it is the reds that have let the public down over the vote for the Eu and then they will get home on their own by about 100 seats in 2022.