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    I don't think sour grapes come into it Brian.

    If one agrees (and I know you think the EU is perfect and doesn't need any kind of reform) that real reform is essential for the survival of the EU and the individual counties, then you cannot get that reform with a leader who is wanting closer ties with all the countries - greater federalism and less control by the governments of those countries.

    We want Britain to be governed by Britain and not Brussels: we want to set our own laws, taxes and immigration levels - on quality not quantity etc.



    Roger

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