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    The following exchange was posted on the "Natalie Elphicke" thread but is much more relevant here:

    Keith Sansum1
    Brexit was the over Riding factor
    And of course a lab leader who had a past that many who dislike what terrorists do got to close to
    I'm sure Mr Corbyn is an honourable man but associating himself so closely with people who had bombed innocent families didn't do much to help the Labour cause

    Of course labour's dithering over the EU didn't help them

    I warned it all 2 years ago
    All candidates work hard but it's about the national policies and whether people felt C C
    Would be any better

    Labour now has to refocus
    They have a difficult Decision
    Do they move away from the membership and left policies
    Thus then not having the foot soldiers
    To a more middle England
    Soft tory type agenda but no foot soldiers
    But maybe able to get into number 10

    These fights will go on in the internal party which has already surfaced on TV
    And will go on for some time


    ChazwoldAlmighty

    Keith Sansum1 wrote:
    I'm sure Mr Corbyn is an honourable man but associating himself so closely with people who had bombed innocent families didn't do much to help the Labour cause

    Of course labour's dithering over the EU didn't help them

    Lol they didn't dither, they promised to get a good deal that worked for most people and then allow the people to vote on it. This who dithering thing was invented by the media to help Boris win by making it about Brexit because the tories had nothing else.

    As for associating with terrorists....he condemned the violence by the IRA, he didn't cosey up to them. He worked with members of Sinn Fien to try and bring about peace because he believes, rightly so, that diplomacy ends conflicts.


    My own personal view for what its worth is:
    Of course the election was going to be about Brexit - anyone who failed to see or think that wasn't paying attention.

    The Labour Party took far too long to make their position on Brexit clear and once they did make their mind up it still smacked of "we are going to give you another chance to make the right decision".

    Traditional Labour seats in the Midlands, Wales and North England didn't vote Tory because they like Boris, they did so because unlike Labour, he has been unequivocal about "Getting Brexit Done", something they voted for 3 miserable long years ago.

    Scottish seats on the other hand were lost to the SNP because Scottish voters want to stay in the EU and Labour wasnt offering that.

    This dichotomy put Labour between a rock and a head place

    As for the rest of Labour's policies; yes some were too radical for most floating voters, or appeared unachievable, or could well prove too expensive, but these failings are also true of the Tory manifesto once their stance on Brexit is taken away.

    Most importantly it is time to stop bickering and to hold the new Tory government under Boris Johnson to account over their promises, starting with Brexit but not ignoring 50,000 extra nurses, 20,000 extra police and 40 new hospitals etc.

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