Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has decided to wave goodbye to his fellow G20 summit attendees
I think they are playing a dangerous game marginalizing Putin, This shows a complete lack of understanding of Russian thinking by Cameron.
The Russians respond badly to ridicule ,gas taps off maybe?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#2
I agree with you on this one Keith. I think the whole approach to Russia and Putin is sadly wrong and totally shortsighted and hardly designed to make the world a safer place, and we all want a safer place for our kids. Many of the western politicians as ever are showing poor intellectual reasoning and seem only have their eye on tomorrows headline. As most of our news comes via America now and is dreadfully slanted ( check out the slanted news flooding through our screens everyday on Bing, Google, MSN ) it makes a good and easy headline to be seen beating Russia with a big stick. If these politicians could try engaging those with differences it might actually work in the world's favour instead of continuously opting for the cheap headline. Sadly western politicians like Cameron need to be seen kissing the American arse....that way secures the instant favourable headline.
Russia are exercising influence in Ukraine, its true, but we all know the Americans have involved themselves in influencing and interfering with other nations since as far back as any one of use can remember. They have had their sticky fingers in many a foreign pie. And has their foreign policy been a success??
If you want to see a piece of non-propaganda Russia take a look at Michael Portillo's new train journey from Tula and Moscow to St Petersburg on i-player...it was shown on BBC TV about a week ago and its a revelation ..the place is flooded with tourists from the UK and everywhere else. The potential is there to engage.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I hope Russia read this forum and do not cut my gas off because I support Russia over all this.
They have done no more then we and the USA have been doing for 100s of years.
That part of the of the UKRAINE public voted to go back under Russia rule the public done it not Russia .
We have been going to all parts of the world guns blazing to try and get the public freedom of the vote yet when it does not go the way the West want it to they say holdup thats wrong .We should say out of it that part of the Ukraine voted with a free vote not a party one to go back ,so we should back them not fight them. They did not go in with a big army when the Berlin wall came down because the public wanted it down.
So in my way of thinking we are wrong to get mixed up in this one and it will be us that will be paying the cost in our fuel bills.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#4
Justice for Ukraine................. when the gas runs out
Audere est facere.
Jan Higgins
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#5
I just hope this does not lead to WW3 simply because Putin wants to leave his mark when he eventually looses power.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Would you prefer Cameron to come back proclaiming 'peace in our time'?. There is a precedent here.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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He turned up in Australia accompanied by 4 warships, if that doesn't send a message I don't know what does. I find him to be an evil man that plays on the emotions of a nation that misses being one of the big two on the world stage.
I don't know what the answer is because the Americans seem only concerned with their own interests but everything I have read points to the fact that the world is a very dangerous place whilst Putin is in power. TheBaltic states are looking very nervously over their shoulders.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Amen to that Howard.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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#9
Germany is acting stupid over this and again its the Government own action over this and not the German citizen... many are against what the german Government is doing. Democracy is dead... Government acting isolated from their own volks.. this is my own view of course ... shame how it all goes...
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I said we should back off this one.We are not the saver of the world and in this case wha
t the west is doing is wrong,but it is only me and the way I am thinking.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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no Vic I agree fully on this one :) .... but we are minority in this
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The Russians have only been out of boot camp communism around 25 years ,its still a very hard country ,democracy and rights are not ,imbedded in them.
After the end of the cold war the agreement was a neutral Eastern Europe buffer .
Sticking American rockets in Poland , and expanding NATO east, is the west going back on this agreement ,I don't see the Russians giving more ground without a fight .
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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Keith democracy is long gone ... you need a wake up call???
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎