Guest 2407- Registered: 4 Dec 2017
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#1
The clear-cut distinction between the Conservative Party and the Labour Party prior to 1995 was that whilst the former believed in private ownership of the means of existence the latter believed in public ownership of the means of existence. The distinction was lost when the Labour Party rewrote the famous and much-supported clause 4.
The Labour Party needs a new policy which makes it distinctly different from the Conservative Party and the best way to achieve this is to rewrite Clause 4. Therefore I submit that clause 4 should read something like the following:-
4. To transform the UK from a Constitutional Monarchy into the Democratic Republic in which the people have collective power over the constitution and collective ownership of the land.
Button
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#2
I think that what any party stands for is a matter for that party, and so I have no problem with Labour revising its clause 4. Where I do have a problem is with the motive expressed above: to make 'it distinctly different from the Conservative Party'. I think each party should offer its truly-held position and then I will choose (or not) from the menus on offer, rather than parties trying to second-guess what will appeal to me.
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Keith Sansum1
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#3
Morning
I'm interested to see how this subject goes,,,,,
T Blair(if you read his book) stated at the time nothing was going to get in his way of getting into number 10.
This included doing away with clause4
Supporting lots of conservative policies/ideas
such as trade union reform
not renationalising rail/bus etc
plus lots more.
Times have moved on and whilst we see a very active Folkestone Labour party winning council seats in tory heartlands
In Dover we see at the mo the same old out of date and tired hope for the best Dover labour.
With promises by the local chair of labour in Dover of labour to get involved in communities I'v seen no evidence of this.(of course there are a couple of labour people who do the vast majority don't)
And until they do Labour in Dover is set to be in opposition for 20/25 years
Anyone else see the revival of labour in Dover and out in the communities?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
The local party seems woefully out of touch with the community with just a few exceptions and will foist a candidate on us at the next General Election leaving Charlie with another clear run.
Brian Dixon
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#5
that's if Charlie aint in some hmp
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#6
Like it not Howards's comment is correct.
In Folkestone labour has changed direction and got into communities, and gaining support.
We have yet to see this in Dover
So Charlie or who ever the candidate is will be in place for 25 years
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
A good example Keith is when the local party announced a meeting of the woman's forum on their social media page. I asked why there was a need for such a thing in this day and age when every party in the UK has or had at one time a woman leader other Labour and the Lib Dems. The reply was a patronising set of statistics about women in the work place and had no relevance to my question.
They get out in the community at election times with up to a dozen canvassers on a regular basis during the recent St Margaret's by-election but not during the rest of the year other than monthly street stalls.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#8
Howard
that's the difference between Folk and Dover labour
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Captain Haddock
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#9
Keef,
Google 'Folkestone momentum'. Result Twitter feed, Facebook link, article about leader (that mad shouty woman who claimed to be a disillusioned Tory voter on BBC Question Time etc)
Google 'Dover momentum' Result zilch.
I'm surprised that Labour in Dover does not have momentum activists.
Looking at the membership on DDC they certainly seems to have enough mass! All they are missing is velocity?
(FWIW I've used my multiple votes for Eddie Izzard for NEC this time.)
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Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
Keith is right about Shepway Labour being highly active even though they will never get an MP or control of the council.
Bob refers to the horrendous Michele Dorrell who switched from the wicked Tories to Labour after her tax credits were cut. I still prefer the fragrant Claire Jefferies.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#11
:Shepway labour is active in the communities and winning seats in new Romney
so anythings possible
Dover looks like its just going to float through to the next election and hope everyone will vote for an imposed candidate
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