howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Having looked at those figures I now realise why Scotland want devolution, it is to increase their population so long as the open border policy holds maybe we can send our numerous unwanted immigrants up there.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is truly shocking and shows the dangers of allowing Labour back in next year.
How anyone can say that the kind of open door immigration we have had for many years, is good for Britain. It would have been less harmful, if it wasn't open-door, but allow quality in - those with English, who have skills and a job and accommodation.
Even then it would be a drain on our limited resources and services - welfare/benefits, education, health, housing, police etc. tc.
We have far too many now and while we remain in the EU, there's very little, if anything, we can do about it.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Can't blame just the last government Roger, the current one is just as bad, they know the desire for cheap labour for their donors.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Yes, I appreciate that Howard and it is very disappointing to me; not sure though if it is because of supplying cheap labour to Tory party donors.
It's wrong in principle and in practice whoever is in Government, or as I stated above, the main problem has been open-door immigration and I'm sure if we really wanted to, could curb the numbers. A points system like they have in Oz would be best.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#6
What has been the tory party stance on immigration since 2010?
I know immigration is rising, just curious, that's all.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Therein lies the problem they have a stance that says cut nett immigration to the tens of thousands each year but no policy to carry it out.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The trouble is that because we are in the EU, we can't cut numbers; we can only cut those from outside the EU, including the Commonwealth and most of those would know the language, probably have better skills levels and would be working from the off
Roger.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Not actually correct Roger, many countries opted for a time gap before opening their borders, ours didn't.
What could the EU actually do if our government suddenly said "sorry border's closed unless we choose to let certain people in"?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Which we should be entitled to do going by the figures in Howard's opening post.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We will have to build lots more Folkestone roads in order to keep up with demand.
The latest numbers of Romanians and Bulgarians resisted to work in the uk is ,152000
All let in by the conservative party
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Roger Walkden wrote:Yes, I appreciate that Howard and it is very disappointing to me; not sure though if it is because of supplying cheap labour to Tory party donors.
It's wrong in principle and in practice whoever is in Government, or as I stated above, the main problem has been open-door immigration and I'm sure if we really wanted to, could curb the numbers. A points system like they have in Oz would be best.
Roger
Well there we have it.
Roger is a Conservative Councillor, paid to represent his party. He is arguing for a points based system, exactly what UKIP have advocated for years.
Is this Tory policy? NO
Will Roger continue to vote for and represent the Conservative party? YES
This is an affront to democracy and typifies the sheeplike attitude of our politicians.
A plague on all your houses, you're a disgrace.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Here we go again with the Roger bashing just because he is brave enough to give his personal opinion.
How about telling us what UKIP plan to do should they ever get an MP never mind enough of them to form a government, at the moment they come across as a party full of wind but not much substance.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Agree with you about Roger Jan, the overwhelming majority of local councillors avoid social media and act in unaccountable manner particularly at town level so anyone that does put their head above the parapet gets the full blast on behalf of the others.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Jan, Roger is accountable to the electorate, if he is prepared to post he should be prepared to be held to account.
UKIP immigration policy is clear as I suspect you know: a points system based on the Australian model where we intake who we need.
I'm very happy to criticise politicians of ALL parties. Roger takes it personally, that's up to him, I happen to think DDC is run by incompetent people, nothing that Roger or Paul Watkins posts on here has made me change my mind.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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David, that does not excuse the continued repetitive needless posts you keep making about Roger I am afraid it does not put you in a very good light.
I notice you prefer not to comment on my other point is that because UKIP have no policy except to bash Europe and the other political parties and their representatives.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#17
Jan, believe me I don't dish out anywhere near as much as I receive, you never hear me moaning about it. My point is all about principled politicians. On my travels its the continual theme, that people say one thing and do another, the tories at DDC are a perfect example and I'm very happy to expose them, its part of my role.
Our manifesto is out in late Sept (well ahead of the others may I add), in the meantime if you'd like to ask about specifics I'll try to respond.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
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would this be in your manifesto.
1/getting rid of zero hours contracts.
2/raising the minimum wage to £12 an hour.
3/moving uk border to the med.coast.
4/being polite to people,all partys.
5/being polite to imigrants.
and that means being polite to roger and jan to.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Next year I think I will not look at any news paper or watch any news and keep away or indoors till after the election.
Was I really as bad as they are today if I was I can understand why I got nowhere.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Next year I think I will not look at any news paper or watch any news and keep away or indoors till after the election.
Was I really as bad as they are today? if I was I can understand why I got nowhere.
