howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
Frau Merkel wins a fourth term with her party getting just under a third of the vote but the AFD are expected to have around 80 seats in the Bundestag. The way I see it her policies on immigration have resurrected Neo Nazism there.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-elections-alternative-fur-deutschland-far-right-afd-bundestag-parliament-angela-merkel-a7965041.htmlGuest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#2
Agreed. 13% of the nation saw fit to go AfD understanding the contention it holds too.
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Ross Miller
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#3
Ultra right wing sentiment never really disappeared across large swathes of Northern Europe all that has happened in recent years is that it has moved away from the leather/denim/military surplus clad booted back patch biker or skinhead contingent and gained a veneer of electoral respectability by putting on shirts, ties and sports jackets. Sadly scratch the surface and the thugs are all still there...
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#4
maybe they should try asking the citizens before they flood the place with cultures that will never fit in
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Weird Granny Slater
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#5
The biggest winners were the centre-right (FDP) and right (AfD), but smaller gains were also made by the Greens and Die Linke (Left). The governing coalition suffered a huge drop in votes, with the SPD losing out badly: they've now gone into opposition, probably because they realise they could be extinguished as a political force if they continue to support Merkel. Much of the pre-election debate focused on race and immigration, although the AfD had no TV debate presence. In fact asylum applications have dropped considerably and Merkel has toughened deportation rules. Interestingly though, in a survey of AfD voters*, some 55% said they were uncomfortable with their policies but voted for them anyway, so it remains to be seen how much of their increased share was the result of protest rather than ideological commitment.
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http://wahl.tagesschau.de/wahlen/2017-09-24-BT-DE/umfrage-afd.shtml (for any German readers on here)
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Captain Haddock
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#6
Weird Granny Slater wrote: In fact asylum applications have dropped considerably and Merkel has toughened deportation rules.
Germany says 280,000 asylum seekers arrived there in 2016, a drop of more than 600,000 on the previous year.
Yup. I'm sure electorate were totally impressed that last year's applications had dropped considerably (sic) to just over a quarter of a million. (Insert emoji for sarcasm here)
In passing I note that Merkel got 32.5% of vote whereas Theresa May
only got 42.3% of vote.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
[QUOTE="Captain Haddock"]Germany says 280,000 asylum seekers arrived there in 2016, a drop of more than 600,000 on the previous year.
Yup. I'm sure electorate were totally impressed that last year's applications had dropped considerably (sic) to just over a quarter of a million. (Insert emoji for sarcasm here)
The big problem as per usual is that the vast majority get placed in disadvantaged areas, notably the old GDR/DDR which has seen a big drop in the standard of living since re-unification - hence the strong AFD showing there.
Rather ironic that Mr Farage is pleased for AFD but doesn't want the same in his party.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#8
Meanwhile the German press is full of headlines that Merkel's leadership is under threat and that the losing party are a Government in waiting? Thought not.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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#9
Captain Haddock wrote:Germany says 280,000 asylum seekers arrived there in 2016, a drop of more than 600,000 on the previous year.
Don't know where your figures come from; not here certainly:
http://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Downloads/Infothek/Statistik/Asyl/aktuelle-zahlen-zu-asyl-august-2017.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
In any case, when all's said and done, 87.4% of the German electorate weren't fooled by the AfD.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#10
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John Buckley
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#11
In future I can only see a continued rise in popularity of political groups across Europe such as the AfD as existing governments continue to do absolutely bugger all to stem the tide of mass immigration.
The islamification of Western Europe is without a doubt happening and will continue to happen until complete, the only question being as to when exactly will that be?
That's not a problem of course for those who, for whatever reason, are happy with that situation ( and good luck to them!) but many in time will start to resent the fact that their very own culture has become secondary to " the religion of peace " and that they are now in fact the new "ethnic minority" in their own country. Probably won't happen in my lifetime but I can't see any scenario in which, in time, that won't occur. No doubt someone on here will explain why I've got that expection wrong though?
And just for the record, I voted for Henry Bolton in the UKIP leadership race, not Anne Marie Waters!
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Apologies for spelling error..........."expection" should read as "expectation" of course.
