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    Good to see you too Darren.

    I wasn't sure I fully understood your last sentence: "The way that our society condemns determinism within the unemployed yet celebrates it within the aristocracy, coupled with the Protestant work ethic, has always thrown me".

    I understand the part about unemployed aristocracy (although I'm not sure that society celebrates it), but not sure what you meant by "society condemns determinism within the unemployed". The only part I can appreciate on this - but at a basic level, is that my brother was unemplyed for quite a while, but determined to get a job and succeed on his own merits; he has now got a job, but although fairly secure, is minimum wage and keeps him down, or at least (at 59) stops him from progressing upwards.
    What is the Protestant work ethic ?
    Happy new year.

    Keith, I'm a Conservative all of the day, not just at the end of it.



    Roger

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