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  Barry that is a separate debate where we are likely to take opposing sides.
  
  However as there is currently no alternative on offer then we need to work within the constraints of the current politco-economic and socio-economic systems we have. Of course there are abuses and these should be stamped on promptly etc. but to make the sort of bleeding heart arguments some on here do without offering viable and well considered alternatives is just so much bloody hot air.

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