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  Post 222 sue raises some real issues , here's a little more insight.
  I'm the political front P Watkins wasn't my cup of tea
  But he was one of the better leaders , and from all parties there were not many .
  
  
  To even it up I think R Hansel was the best Labour leader and they had some poor ones .
  
  
  I recall prior the a labour group meeting before going into a council meeting I chatted with p Watkins over a tea
  
  When I went into the labour group meeting
  Eileen rowbottom labour councillor interrupted the meeting to ask the group if they knew why I was a few mins late
  She went on to say I had been talking to p Watkins
  As though he was the devil lol
  I did reply to say I would do it again , it's far better to know what the opposition party is thinking than going in blind
  There's also the bit on seeing if there is common ground.
  Bear this in mind with how cllr Rowbotham views Tories
  Whilst on KCC I attended a group meeting where the labour whip wanted to remove a cllr from a committee
  When I asked on what grounds the ship said a conservative had told him in the corridor !
  Now would I believe another probably mischievous party person in an internal discipline matter ....no
  But I didn't hear her kick up a fuss that day
  Do without clear evidence I didn't support it!
  
  At the end of the day I don't care if its Tory labour green indy who helps Dover to a brighter future
  But it needs help and it needs parties working together .
  
  
  I recall sitting in town hall on the stage in the cabinet as the labour group was proposing to close all the toilets prior to an election
  I did say this is political suicide
  But they still went for it.
  And lost election
  
  
  Without doubt in Coming years Labour had no chance of ever controlling KCC or DDC
  And just about clings onto the parish town council
  
  The sad thing is the conservatives are not that popular
  But labour also has very little support

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