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    My interest in this is political rather than economic. I voted Remain, but accept the result and wouidn't advocate another referendum. The Bishop was right in an earlier post about Benn's 5 questions, and Ray was right in that the ERG have ideological motives that their Brexit manouvres are masking. I now see leaving as presenting an opportunity for real democratic self-determination. But I also believe that won't happen, as neither the parliamentary Remain or Brexit camps are interested in the democratic bit: the FPTP, serve-your-term, Commons/Lords system suits them.

    FWIW re European history, I think we started to go wrong in 1660.

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