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    Rick you seem to miss (deliberately?) the point that both Bern & I were making.

    I too have a healthy dose of scepticism towards the environmental lobby, however I also believe that sensible management of our natural resources and care for the planet is in all our best interests. The wanton profligacy and blatant disregard for the consequences by the worst exponents of capitalism is frankly indefensible, especially when there are people below the bread line etc. etc. I struggle to see how anyone can reasonably defend the fact that less than 20% of the worlds population consuming almost 80% of the worlds resources.

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