Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There is some interesting news that a top American policeman would be interested in taking over the Metropolitan Police.
The man concerned is Bill Bratton who, when in charge of NYPD, halved New York's murder rate bringing law and order to what was one of the most dangerous cities in America and then he went off and did it again, in LA. His no-nonsense zero tolerance approach also worked brilliantly in tackling lower grade crime. He also cleared out police corruption.
Currently the rules prevent him being appointed the Met chief.
So the rules should be changed. Bring him in!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i rather like what i have read about the man, strange set of rules that excludes him.
we brought in an american or canadian(cannot remember his name now to close the coalmines, what is so different about the police?
Keith Sansum1
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diffrence would be howard, he probably bring communities together rather than dividing them
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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As attractive as these 'supercops' sound there is another side to the story. Crime rates may have fallen because they were no longer reported or they were recorded differently or they simply went elsewhere. If the Met become a zero tolerance zone then the criminals might go to less active areas - could we see an increase in crime in sleepy Dover as a result?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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mark;
theres some truth in what you say,
statistics thats all they are
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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of course figures can be manipulated what is important is that in the case of the chap barry mentioned, the average citizen of both cities were happy with the results, there was actually less crime.
the same applied to the chap up at midlesborough, think his name was mallon.
Ross Miller
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Mark - you are right the success of Bratton and Giulani's zero tolerance policy was a rise in crime in surrounding areas, particularly New Jersey, interestingly for a number of years it also had a negative economic influence particularly in the non food retail sector
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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The trouble with the Met is
a) lack of leadership
b) poor middle management
c) an inability to talk to the people it polices
d) an inability to be open and honest about its failings leading to general distrust among the people it polices
e) a cut in budget for the next 2 years at least leading to low moral amongst the rank and file
oh and undue political influence from the London Mayor in particular
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All true, but (and I hold no brief for anyone) it is not possible for them to be as open and honest as they might need to be when there is such a blame culture in the uk. If anything goes wrong the first thing to happen is not, as should be, looking at it and learning from it (that old crap about "lessons learned" is just that) but finding someone to sacrifice for it.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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True Bern
But maybe that is something else we need to change - we certainly need controls on ambulance chasing lawyers and on contingent fees
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No argument here.....
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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the last part on the claims lawyers is sad that our society has reached this stage.
on the met, it needs clear strong leadership but whoever is put in place, recent times for the met have not been good, and it wil take a long time to reassure people in the future
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