What will be the outcome?
- Keith Sansum1
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19 November 2012 08:49202183The mouse is about to propose(it appears) to the H.O.C. three options on the rights of prisoners to vote.
the 3 options being
1; those under 4 years sentence(only) able to vote
2; those under 6 months sentence able to vote
3; no prisoners will have right to vote
It appears the mouse is hopeful the house goes with option 3.
of course we aleady have some do gooders(labour MP's) fighting for prisoners to have right to vote.
I may sound like a tory here, but my view is, once they are convicted they should lose the right to vote.
what do you think?ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 19 November 2012 09:00202187I think we are at one on this Keith.
- 19 November 2012 09:22202189Giving prisoners a vote is just plain wrong
- 19 November 2012 10:08202195Removing the Right to Vote from anybody is no function of a Democratic State.
I know that there are many out there who, like me, have learned something of the history of how the Voting Franchise came about. It runs something like this,
Councillors of the Crown,
Land owners,
Men of property,
Men only, over a certain age,
Men only, over a certain, lower, age,
Men and that other gender, you know the one. The hysterical and frustrated one. This is where we are today.
The Labour Party (as was) is only a little over a century old, and a fact that rankles yet.
We are told, or led to believe that modern democracy began here, with us, and had developed over many years to the high state of perfection we came to know and love. It appears that many of the recent alterations are not to be seen as advances at all - Lords reform, for instance.
But, as with anything that develops in a strictly linear fashion it grows old without growing up. No puberty, and certainly no sign of menopause...oh no.
In this way our democracy grew with the populace ever 'subjects' of the Crown. [Our Citizenship status but a sop* from our National membership of the EU.]
We all are free, free to carry on considering our freedoms as gifts from above and not hard fought for and won through centuries of waste and want.
Are we not also then free to claim these same rights, for ourselves and for those of our ilk?
*
http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/sop_1Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 20 November 2012 11:29202339Frit, are we?
Complacent?
If this 'hero' is freed because the arguments put forward in the HoCs debate today, he will remain 'Convicted', will he not?
A judge imprisons him and we cry 'nay!', but he is definitely not worthy of exercising the Right he fought for?
Speak up, or forever hold your peace.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Brian Dixon
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20 November 2012 14:382023771-0 to the eu masters.
give them the voteing rights then bring back hanging for those who vote,[prisnors that is.]. - 20 November 2012 15:52202393That's it Brian, plough your lonely furrow.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Brian Dixon
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20 November 2012 16:17202395tom,i've upgraded now gow got tractor with multi furrow gadget on the back.i am now getting a eu subsidy for it. - Keith Sansum1
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20 November 2012 18:59202427barryw and david
see we can agreeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 20 November 2012 20:04202450I think Barry, Keith and David should be disenfranchised!
I need only three other people to back that proposition and the day is won.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Keith Sansum1
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20 November 2012 21:49202466I have always said im sure there are subjects barryw/david and I could agree onALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 22 November 2012 08:18202643MPs should not flout law on prisoners' votes
" The European court of human rights ruled in 2005 that the blanket ban on sentenced prisoners voting is unlawful. Since then the UK government has remained in breach of its legal obligations. With six months to comply following the Scoppola judgment on 22 May this year, we understand that the government will introduce draft legislation on prisoners voting for debate in the House of Commons today, 22 November.
We ask MPs to consider if they are prepared to continue to flout international law, face substantial financial penalties, and millions in mounting compensation claims, and ignore the advice of the attorney general in order to stop prisoners from acting responsibly by voting in democratic elections.
Almost all of our European neighbours allow prisoners to vote - to pay their debt to society while remaining a part of it. Our outdated approach, enshrined in the Forfeiture Act 1870, to strip prisoners of their voting rights does the opposite. A 19th-century penalty condemning people to "civic death" makes no sense in a 21st-century prison system whose focus is on rehabilitation, resettlement and the prevention of reoffending.
The message that we can pick and choose which laws we obey is a poor one, for people in prison and for society as a whole. We hope parliament will now use its discretion and support sensible measures to start to comply with, and implement, the judgment. "
The personalities and standing of the signatories can be readily mocked by visiting the full version of this letter here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/nov/21/mps-law-on-prisoners-votes
P.S.
I think 'judgement' should be spelled this way. (or is it 'spelt'?)Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Brian Dixon
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22 November 2012 14:01202684on the news at lunch time,cameron looked absolutly furious and peed of,all his eu friends are slaging him off.conclusion cameron will blow a gasket and with egg on his face will come home with his tail between his legs.