Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Recently we have seen the German govt announce all its nuclear plants will be gone by 2022
moving to renewable energy, (80%)
This is a tough decision but one they are sticking to.
How does that compare to the UK? 7 major renewable companies already investing in the UK and stating
2,000 jobs could be the result, are now warning the mouse, that as he has plans to build more nuclear power statins rather that the green route, that these 7 companies are threatening to withdraw finance.
Denmark is also taking the green route, stating even though times are hard, this should not stop such initatives going on for the good of all.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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The Green Issue, as with the Norwegian Blue, is fallen fowl.
Fallen foul to, and succumbed to:The Profit Motive, more Private Sector on the Public Dole and a general adherence to the maxim;if it ain't broke don't fix it - with little thought being given to what might be meant by 'broke'.
That 'The Green Issue' has little to do with sustainability and more to do with financial gain from outmoded practices was clear from the off.
Bold statements were made, fine promises proclaimed...and then a market in Carbon Trading was set up. This did what has been done historically, it shifted the onus (and the problem) onto the Third World and kept all profit where it belongs.
Sustainability, must be the corner stone on which to build any viable future for the planet and it's inhabitants.
But,
The very first thing that should be done is to rearrange the pricing structure of Energy Utilities so that the public consumer receives sufficient energy to light and heat their home at a much reduced rate and that the price of energy must rise with consumption.
People first, people.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Our problem is that we are going to run short of energy generating capacity within a few years (I won't start the political argument on why that is!) and nuclear is the only option to fill the gap - it is proven technology, can be built in a known timescale with known output and works 24 hours a day every day of the year.
Green technologies while they have a place cannot compete with those advantages - when the wind stops blowing and the sun goes down the output is zero.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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much as i am concerned about the environment, a lot of this green stuff is about making us feel guilty for "destroying the planet" which means we end up handing over money as penance.
the current fuel bills are just the latest rip off, when the issue first become fashionable manufacturers saw the angle and suddenly washing up liquids, detergents etc were given green packaging with a "new" price. about that time the chancellor ken clarke when raising fuel taxes in his budget crowed that it was a green tax - nothing to do with extra revenue of course.
another 2 or 3 years and the lights go out unless we change our approach to energy.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I agree with Tom, Ray and Howard's view.
I agtree (to a certain extent) that we should conserve the natural resources, but as far as green energy is concerned, I don't believe it is efficient/reliable enough.
I do believe Nuclear energy is the best source and some brave decisions need to be made.
Roger
Guest 730- Registered: 5 Nov 2011
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I agree as well. We should have invested in nuclear energy years ago. Green energy is all very well in some situations but to rely on it is crazy.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Small is beautiful and Nuclear is craziness.
How brave is it to send somebody else's children off to war?
How brave is it to condemn future generations to live on an island that glows in the dark?
For today, and for today only, the Nuclear option is attractive, and as you know;Tomorrow never comes?
Where is it written that we British have all the answers? Is it the same place that decrees that only here the wind drops and the clouds roll in?
Have we decided to manufacture all that we need here upon our island haven? Perhaps we are projected to again be the powerhouse of the world and get out infants back into gainful employment?
Every fifty years or so we are to begin to build more and more Nuclear plants. Nuclear plants that like cultures in a Petri dish spawn along our coasts. [This is one way to eventually become self-sufficient, there being no coastline left for harbours.]
By the time the first tranche of these plants is fit to be dismantled the space it occupies will be needed for yet another of it's kind.
And where are we to get this nuclear material from. Does it, unlike oil etc., grow on trees?
And when we are done with the fuel, what then?
The Nuclear option is by far the most cowardly choice.
How dare we worship our light-bulb and darken the outlook for our children, and our children's children!
The wind may die down, night will come, but as sure as eggs is eggs the wind will be back and the dawn will come.
Which room in your house would you set aside for the storage of your spent batteries and all the equipment that they once powered?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Germany is far from being "green". They are in the process of building 25 new coal fired power stations to take up the slack from inefficient wind "power" alongside their panic decision to shut down all nuclear power and are set to build more gas fired power stations. Germans don't do irony do they?
Over here the scourge of renewable energy just keeps growing and yet ill-informed Guardian readers still insist that there should be more of this stuff.
To see the stupidity of this madness check out the live stats from the UK national grid here:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Note that as it stands wind power accounts for somewhere in the region of three or four percent of our electricity all depending on whether the wind blows to hard or not enough.
In order to reach the governments targets for more wind power we will have to multiply the amount of windmills by a factor of.......well you work it out.
We narrowly dodged a bullet a few years ago when ecotricity (contricity in other words) were denied a wind farm in the beautiful surroundings near our white cliffs.
If they try to apply again I suspect things will be alot different in terms of the outcome.
