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  serious discussion david?
  
  your in an optimistic mood today, to be truthful i don't know the answer.
  
  apathy is just one part but over enthusiasm is another equally damaging thing, i see so often a group of one type or another being formed and slowly people drop away, in many cases because they take on too much. we all need to take a cool approach when volunteers are called for and decide what time we have to devote to each plan.

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