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    You've got to chuckle at Keith in post 25, saying Barry and I are in denial. I cant or wont speak for Barry but I'm firmly grounded in reality thanks Keith, I've been telling you for ages the country is ruined. If you think we're skint now give it 5 years, you'll be pining for the halcyon days of 2012.

    You and I might disagree how we got here, but the reality is we haven't, as Gary says, got a pot to pee in.

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