Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#1
It is just not working we get killings each day of the week now.
I know we have talked about this before but hanging is the only way to bring the number of killings down, and all police must carry arms ,I f you do not agree .OK but please tell me then any other way we can stop it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
Not an answer in my opinion, I served for 6 weeks on a jury at the Old Bailey with a fairly complicated trial about conspiracy to affray with 7 defendants one of whom had better things to do and didn't turn up. We were forever being turfed out so that they could decide whether or not we should hear certain evidence. At the end they were all found guilty and I was happy to know that if there had been crucial evidence hidden from us then one or more would be released eventually, not so if they are dead. Furthermore roughly 1 out of 3 are opposed to the death penalty so the upshot is likely to be that many murderers would escape justice and walk free.
The Police Federation has said many times that their members do not want to be armed routinely as that would make them targets for the most violent criminals. The present system of specially trained officers that have been psychologically tested then being armed is the way things should be.
Guest 1713- Registered: 14 Mar 2016
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#3
The death penalty should never have been done away with. The horrendous expense to the tax payers of keeping vermin like Hindley, Brady and Sutcliffe behind bars is a crime. Soft liberal judges and politicians have so much to answer for. Our prisons are overun by the very worst non conformist types of filth imaginable who treat the places as holiday camps. Prisons so understaffed and lacking tough regimes that make reoffending acceptable . When I was growing up we had borstal and detention centres places you just did not want to end up visiting oh how times have sadly changed.
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#4
God, I really wish life was as simplistic as some people think.
"It’s much easier to think that Ian Brady was evil, because he is then not someone like ‘us’,” says Coline Covington, the forensic psychologist and author of Everyday Evils, a Psychoanalytic View of Evil and Morality. “What’s difficult is to identify with him in any way – [to recognise] that we may all at least have fantasies of torturing and killing, although most of us don’t act on them. We project whatever is evil and sadistic on to the criminal so that we can remain unsullied and pure."
Doesn't bear thinking about it does it? No wonder so many of us stop thinking.
Rest of article here:-
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/16/ian-brady-myra-hindley-biblical-notion-of-evil-haunt-british-psyche-moors-murders"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1713- Registered: 14 Mar 2016
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#5
Guardian say no more....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
There are two very good reasons for banging up the worst murderers for the rest of their lives:-
a) Most of them would prefer to die rather than do so.
b) Clever people get time to study them and understand how their minds work, hopefully this leads to others identifying likely killers in the future.
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Jan Higgins
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#7
If hanging worked there would not have been murders when it was still being enforced.
Multi killers must think they will never be caught or are mentally ill, so again hanging would not deter them.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
Capital punishment is a thing of the past in civilised nations, only some states in the US still have it and judging by the rate of executions it is clearly not a deterrent. I would very surprised of the question was ever raised in Parliament again.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#9
If they get hang they cannot do it again and we do not have to feed them and what about the feeling of the poor family who have lost a loved one.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
Vic Matcham wrote:If they get hang they cannot do it again and we do not have to feed them and what about the feeling of the poor family who have lost a loved one.
Rather a crass statement, what about the Birmingham six and Guildford four amongst many others who were found to be innocent years after their convictions?
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Guest 1792- Registered: 2 Jul 2016
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#11
The death penalty should be bought back ,Child killing for starters + those 2 that brutally murdered Lee Rigby ,Terroists ,Grooming gangs ,The taxpayer pays millions for them to live a cushy life with their own rooms en suite ,TVs computers not to mention a choice of menu 3 times a day ,24/7 heating ,Our Pensioners who have paid their way all their lives and never broke the law don't get that sorta cushiness ,Nah bring bk the rope and let em swing .
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#12
14 murders in less then two weeks in London
and more over the UK and some of you say do not bring back the death penalty. and most of them were done by young men,
on members of the public who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#13
Vic Matcham wrote:14 murders in less then two weeks in London.
There were more than that Vic. This is only those stabbed to death. If it was gangs of photogenic young white men killing each other rather than 'talented rappers' killing 'aspiring footballers' there would be an outcry. It isn't. There's not.
Even the Guardian is starting to admit the extent of the problem.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/28/beyond-the-blade-the-truth-about-knife-in-britain
Perhaps bringing back 'stop and search' might have a greater effect than bringing back hanging?
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#14
Good plan Stop,Search then hang them.
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Button
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#15
Ah, now you're talking. Capital punishment for really serious crimes such as blocking supermarket aisles with trolleys, failure to have your payment ready at the till, not moving off smartly from traffic lights and using 'like' more than once per sentence, would hopefully act as a deterrent or, failing that, an example.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Button wrote:Ah, now you're talking. Capital punishment for the really serious crimes like blocking supermarket aisles with trolleys, failure to have your payment ready at the till, not moving off smartly from traffic lights and using 'like' more than once per sentence, would hopefully act as a deterrent or, failing that, an example.
You left out fly tippers or were you just being lenient?
Button- Location: Dover
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#17
Sorry, it wasn't an exclusive list, just the ones who'll be first against the wall. Plenty of room for others, e.g. motorists who swerve right before turning left.
(Not my real name.)
Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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#18
Cherry blossom poisoning 666 wrote:The death penalty should be bought back ,Child killing for starters + those 2 that brutally murdered Lee Rigby ,Terroists ,Grooming gangs ,The taxpayer pays millions for them to live a cushy life with their own rooms en suite ,TVs computers not to mention a choice of menu 3 times a day ,24/7 heating ,Our Pensioners who have paid their way all their lives and never broke the law don't get that sorta cushiness ,Nah bring bk the rope and let em swing .
I believe for Terrorism this should be the case in our country, however, most of them die when they cause the attack, so you cant kill a dead man. What happened to Lee Rigby was insane and UK stood by and let it pass as with other attacks.....now we have children and young people, mothers murdered in cold blood whilst out enjoying life or collecting their children, their lives ended so quickly and without mercy....no mercy at all done by a 22yr old no less. So what is going to be done about this or will we suffer more and more until we come to accept the attacks as normal day to day living as we already are on path with and being pressed into this way of living. Were told not to get angry...were told to keep calm...were told to forgive...say this at all those people at the funerals of those who died. But alas it wasn't government's children or loved ones who were killed . Until our government takes drastic action what can I say....another country to live maybe?. The bringing in one law after another ..it wont make a difference one bit. We allow terrorists in or to be groomed and that is a fact how else are they able to do what they do? Government oppose protests against it all or they are cut them short or cut off completely. Our freedom of speech our liberty is in failure in this country and a new found order has been established.
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If only everyone could be kind and honest what a better world we would be in.