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  jan it took months of wrangling and form filling to get permission to clean up the alleyways, only the diligence of roger walkden and jenny woodbridge and others made it eventually possible, even then they needed someone with local government knowledge to fill out the right forms.
  
  adding white lines is moving into a different stratosphere.
  
  the community does care as evidenced by the numbers that turned up for the clean up, most of us do not have the wherewithall to take on the various councils.
  
  in the next few days i will go up to the top of the western heights and post pictures of the dereliction up there.
  
  no doubt in 10 years time someone will do likewise.

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