howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 October 2010
20:0876474a few weeks ago it became national news that my old town was playing host to a children smuggling racket.
today we learn that 7 romanians aged between 9 and 16 were working in a field in the malvern hills.
do we not do checks anymore on people entering the country, it seems clear that a criminal gang was involved.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 October 2010
07:1376504It puts us no better than other third world countries doesn't it ?
People-smuggling is big business and the gangs that bring them, in go to extraordinary lengths not to get detected.
Employers must be extra vigilant too - don't they know who is working on their land ? It wouldn't happen at Tilmanstone Salads - not with children anyway.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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25 October 2010
08:0676508Let;'s hope (if correct) we they get this sorted and quick
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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25 October 2010
08:3476512Last week Iain Duncan Smith when talking about Merthyr Tydfil and places of similar ilk with job loss problems, did a Norman Tebbit and said people should
" Get on a bus to find a job"
this was a variation on the infamous
"get on your bike to find a job" as spouted by the deeply unpopular at the time Norman Tebbit all those years ago. Gawd they were dark days I remember em well.
The problem here with the Rumanians, kids or otherwise, is that the local population will not either get on a bus or on a bike to find jobs. Duncan Smith said that there are something like 500,000 jobs available. I think Im rememebring that correctly. But as is often the case the locals wont do them, as they are often jobs of a lower nature, and people are very sniffy about doing these jobs, even people on benefits.
So there you have it. Up pop the Rumanians. Nobody will do the work only immigrants so if you want your Spring Onions on your supermarket shelf then be grateful for Rumanians and Polish and...etc..The kids are with them because the whole family en masse come to do the job in hand. They live together in shacks or caravans, and in this case pick onions all day long from dawn til dusk.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 October 2010
08:3876513I think we have also got ourselves into this, your better off on benefits climate.
which has to change.
On the jobs front of all those jobs many like you say paulb are very poor pay
many made up by the social, or just on minimum wage.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 October 2010
09:4376523if the farmer had employed the labour force direct he would have had to check their documents.
it looks like he/she decided to use an overseas agency so that pittance wages could be paid.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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26 October 2010
00:1676655PaulB, reading your post makes me realise that I must be the only one on the Forum who digs gardens!
Somehow that sounds cool!
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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26 October 2010
00:2576658I dig my own garden when I get the time
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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26 October 2010
07:2576661I have to dig deep every time my daughter comes round!
..but alas thats the only digging I do.
Interestingly just heard further re this item on Farming Today this morning R4.
A spokeswoman called Christine Snell from Concordia( large farming group) was emphasising the need for immigrants to do this kind of work..ie fruit picking, veg picking and so on. The interviewer asked her if local people will do the work...and she said she would like to see them do it but experience tells her not to hold out much hope. Many jobs are available within short walking distances of towns she said, but still nobody comes forward to do the work.
I remember when I said this recently in another thread Kathy B said I should be careful not to tar every youngster with the same brush as her son is trying very hard to find work and its difficult.
There are a lot of good kids out there trying v hard and I personally know a few, so I wouldnt dream of it, but we see here more a situation that affects the established workforce. Younger kids are trying to make a career for themselves and thats very understandable. But clearly the established labour force wont work or wont go a few miles up the road to work as has been highlighted this week.
26 October 2010
09:0176681Partly the fault of us devaluing proper work! There is so much emphasis on inappropriate people going for degrees in bum-wiping or flower-pressing and then ambitiously aiming for management and executive positions or some other allegedly prestigious line of work. Blair et al focussing on getting every Tom Dick and Harriet in to Uni did many people a disservice and really undervalued and demoralised alternative work patterns. Every job and every worker is valuable and necessary.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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26 October 2010
10:2676692You expressed a view I fully share, Bern. When I went to school in Dover, to primary school, quite a few class mates, boys and girls, did part-time work, including farm work. My friend got up every morning at 5 O'clock to deliver milk with the milk-float, helping the milkman!
I used to do week-end work at the age of eleven.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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26 October 2010
11:2576697susan can beat that hands down, she used to carry buckets of stagnant water, barefoot over hot coals for 8 miles before breakfast.
if it took her more than 20 minutes then a good thrashing was administered. helped make her the kindly soul that we now know.
26 October 2010
12:1276701Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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26 October 2010
13:1276708There are plenty of people ready to work, at a moment's notice. One would assume that they are presently unemployed, or are about to be unemployed (working on a temporary basis) else they would not be advertised as ready to work at a moment's notice, but they are available and one need only call the work-agency.
Here is one example from the web, which I researched especially for this thread.
''We are able to provide complete teams of workers, either assembled from new or from teams currently working together, and companies to work as our Client's subcontractors.''
As one can see, companies can also be supplied as subcontractors.
So as one can see, there are many people looking for work (also already working on a temporary basis), with experience, and ready to be employed at the tip of a finger on the phone.
PaulB, I agree with you, that there is an unemployment problem in England, but concerning the statement of the above-mentioned lady, a Country's people are as good or as bad as they are presented and depicted by the governing ministers and deputees.
The advertisement for work which I pasted is one of many authentic offers specifically for the UK, so there is no shortage of people with experience - also whole teams - ready to take up employment.
An employers dream-world here in South East England. Choose only the very best!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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26 October 2010
13:1376709Anyway, I am going now to dig this garden I mentioned.
