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    I could understand the mechanic`s of the equation Rick, what I meant above was, I couldn`t understand doing the equation in the first place. Any number of astronomer`s could have grabbed figure`s out of the air, based on what little knowledge there was in 1960, and even today with the few hundred new planet`s so far discovered, there`s an awful lot of guess work. You`ve made some good points though regarding Drake`s boldness, and it has given more interest on the subject over the years. Again, it`s very interesting to hear other people`s comments on here which are alway`s interesting, stimulating, and great for further discussion. The other equation has familiar symbol`s, but I haven`t seen them in that form before.

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