Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#1
The story is not as simple as that. Look at this statistic.
Number of UK Nationals in work fell 280k compared to this time last year, number of non-UK Nationals in work increased 147k over same time.
So why is it that foreign workers are so much better at getting job? It shows there are jobs out there. Is it perhaps the too many Brits are happy to be on benefits?
Dominic Raab published a very good article on what role the government could play in helping business create more jobs. Essentially he says that cutting red tape for business will have a massive impact. Among them he suggests all businesses with under 50 employees should be exempt from the vast bulk of employment law. It is these business who potentially can create the most jobs.
Iain Duncan Smith's reforms should also help of course regarding those on benefits.
Raab actually lists 10 things that should change which lose a lot of jobs in a Centre for Policy Studies report that makes very interesting reading.
#2
The most siginifcant fact dropping out of this is how stats can be manipulated............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
indeed the story is not that simple, how many of the foreign nationals been hired by an agency overseas.
there is the other issue of people earning wages here that are worth a lot more in their own country, so if 15 or so pay rent in a two bedroomed house they are left with a fair amount to send home and stash away.
Jan Higgins
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#4
You have raised a good point there Howard. Do we have a law about how much money can be sent abroad or have the EU opened that gate as well as our boarders.
Statistics can so easily be used to promote a point of view so like opinion polls that can slant questions both are fairly useless.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#5
no laws about it jan, cannot blame them - a chap that roger and i both know does any building and maintenance work going at a lower rate and all the money goes back to slovakia where he is building a house.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
I use statistics all the time so I know exactly how they can be manipulated and need to make allowance for that whenever some investment company comes along to me boasting.
What is important is what I as saying about the need to facilitate more job creation by the small businesses as these have the greatest potential to eat into the numbers more quickly. Not only that these companies really are at the heart of the economy and have the potential to grow and create more wealth and tax revenues. This is how we can and must shake this country out of recession.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
110,000 people have applied to work on the christmas post an increase of 30,000 on last year.
sadly there are only 18,000 vacancies.
gives the lie to the belief that all unemployed are bone idle.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#8
Howard - once again a problem with stats and your interpretation. No-one says that all unemployed are bone idle but sadly far too many of them are.
You need to break those stats down to mean anything for instance how many are long-term unemployed, how many are retired looking for a little extra dosh, how many are foreigners.
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I wasn't being negative about stats btw. It just means one has to be that bit cleverer than the opposition.........
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#10
Barry rightly points out that the jobs are there, but they go to foreign workers. These are the minimum wage jobs.
The result is, that unemployed locals are on £67 a week JSA, except the very young unemployed, who get less than that.
The millions of minimum wage foreign workers do not contribute in any relevant way to the tax-system, to pensions and NHS, and cost the State much more than the private sector employer saves by employing them.
In this area of England, JSA and housing benefit amount to over £500 a month per person, 13 months a year (52 weeks). In London the figure is much higher, owing to the higher rent.
One day, the foreign workers too will be receiving pensions for working in the UK, although most of them won't have contributed more than peanuts to the pensions and NHS system with their minimum wage.
For all these reasons, I forecast that the UK pensions system is about to collapse, as the UK has to find more money to cover JSA and housing benefits, pensions for foreign workers, overloaded NHS and education.
The first people to start feeling the pinch - apart from the unemployed - will be the pensioners themselves.
Starting with the more vulnerable, those who require more investment to be cared for....
Sad, but inevitable.