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    We'll agree to disagree over Early Modern History, Sid! I think you're putting a spin on history that isn't there, but then as I say, we'll just differ on it.

    In answer to your question about UKIP's plans for Dover - the one I got shirty with you over on Ian's thread, I believe that UKIP cannot have specific plans for towns, cities or even regions on a specific individual basis. Let's be honest, UKIP isn't going to get an MP elected in the UK without the electoral system being reformed to PR, and it's highly questionable that that will ever happen.

    Where I believe UKIP can score success is in marginalising the Tory vote to the extent where Tory party managers have to acknowledge that a significant minority of its voters will carry on voting for a party that represents something along the lines of their own beliefs. I believe that the BBC has estimated that UKIP and BNP votes cost the Tory party an overall majority at this parliament, to the tune of some 20 seats. I believe that this scenario will be repeated unless some form of referendum is offered to the right wing of the Tory party and voters of broadly similar views; whilst the Prime Minister is doing a good job of holding together a political alliance he must have hated the thought of at the beginning of May, it's something the Tory party will surely not want to see again, and for that reason I believe the pressure must be kept up on the Tories to honour previous commitments.

    UKIP isn't going to form a government, or any effective opposition to a government; therefore, being pragmatic about the whole thing, we have to apply pressure to the people who can bring about the target for UKIP voters, which is the right for the British people to be heard over the future of how our country is governed. In answer to your jibes, that isn't being a 'Little Englander', that's just wanting to know that being steered towards Brussels is what the majority want. I don't believe that is what the majority want, I don't believe it's economically sound to be governed in macro economic terms by people who do not put Great Britain first, and I believe it's morally wrong to not put such major issues to the very people affected by them.

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