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    Vic, it will take UKIP a lifetime to get from under 2,000 votes to the 20,000 required for UKIP to get a seat in HoP. Just look at how long it has taken the Greens. Not saying UKIP should pack up, but just trying to inject a bit of realism into the situation.

    When we are both long gone, our grandchildren might be the one's to give UKIP the breakthrough, but by then Europe won't be the issue it is today as the anti-European Luddites will have died out, literally.

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