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    I try now not to defend Ray, but in all honestly Ray and many others have put up a number of facts on the peoples port/port
    (bear in mind im still neutral) of which you chose to pick bits out of and quote, or totally disregard and go along lines that even i could not at times follow.

    It is difficult on a forum with so many differing views to find how all this would ever gel to one
    and realy,,,,,why should it?

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