TTIP
- 2 May 2016 15:24313358Not heard a good word about this deal that has been done mainly in secret but this leak really blows the whole thing open with nothing good for the vast majority of us.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-leak-could-spell-the-end-of-controversial-trade-deal-say-campaigners-a7009896.html - 2 June 2016 15:05314298I hadn't realised it had to be ratified by each member state, surely it will be dead in the water.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-promises-to-kill-ttip-will-work-in-parliament-to-stop-trade-deal-a7060896.html - Bob Whysman
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2 June 2016 18:22314304howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I hadn't realised it had to be ratified by each member state, surely it will be dead in the water.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-promises-to-kill-ttip-will-work-in-parliament-to-stop-trade-deal-a7060896.html
The United States of America and Europe.......another reason for Brexit?Do nothing and nothing happens. - Captain Haddock
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2 June 2016 21:13314318Yup. Usual mad scare stories. Meanwhile TPP (much the same thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership ) among twelve Pacific Rim countries signed on 4 February 2016 with no sign of plagues of frogs and Aussies sold into slave labour working for big business/Uncle Sam/The Bilderberg Group and/or Google - non of whom pay any tax anyway which OBVIOUSLY they should do as should any other business providing me with excellent service and free/cheap stuff.
Apparently it's all a plan to sell the NHS to McDonalds anyway which is OBVIOUS when you think about the secrecy involved in the negotiations unlike all other Government deals between nation states where we are given a blow by blow account hourly in the Guardian On-Line Comments.
N.B. Must add it to list of things which due to my total ignorance on the subject I am vaguely worried about.Button likes this"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - 2 June 2016 21:47314319My understanding is that consumer protection would count for nothing and big corporations would be able to sue governments that didn't let them override their plans.
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2 June 2016 23:09314320And my understanding is that there would be no change in consumer protection and that 'big corporations' would indeed be able to sue Governments IF for example like in Zimbabwe or Venezuela they arbitrarily 'took over' I.e. nationalised private firms.
Here's few myths exploded (unless, of course, you believe our elected government is controlled by Monsanto) https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/329315/BIS-14-883-Transatlantic-trade_and-investment-partnership-separating-myth-from-fact.pdf"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - 3 June 2016 04:02314321I don't believe our elected government is controlled by Monsanto. However I do strongly believe that our doctors, NHS procurement officials and health ministry mandarins are subject to undue and unhealthy influences from the big pharmaceutical companies, most of which are American.Jan Higgins likes thisI'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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3 June 2016 08:05314323Spot on Peter BUT perhaps it would be more helpful if the EU, rather than worrying about whether Google, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, Apple, Microsoft et al are becoming too powerful, should instead ask, why due to lack of investment in R&D,Science,Engineering etc, firms with 'killer applications' are not being developed in Europe.
Just look at the top 100 world class universities https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2016/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank_label/sort_order/asc/cols/rank_only.
With the usual exception of Oxbridge and Imperial I don't see many European Universities in there in spite of the fact the we've thrown shed loads of money for half the population to study Forensic Science with Golf Course Studies at the University of Bournemouth."The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - Bob Whysman
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25 June 2016 19:27315121We won't be able to assist the USA in their aspirations to launch TTIP now, regardless of what position that we are going to be in the queue for trade relations.
Oh well, at least we still have our 'special relationship' which means that they can use our military bases when it suits them.Do nothing and nothing happens. - 26 June 2016 17:51315154TTIP is dead in the water.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 28 June 2016 22:09315209Peter Garstin wrote:For us anyway - hopefully.TTIP is dead in the water."All is flux, nothing stays still." - Heraclitus of Ephesus
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