The Scot Nats and the EU Miscalculation
- 14 December 2012 15:15205754Politics in Scotland is even nastier than it is south of the border. The totally non-endearing Nicola Sturgeon was in the wars again yesterday firing loaded live salvos at all her opposition..those of all colours and every hue. To say she is a wee bit of a grumpy bovine with a surefire charisma shortfall would not be an exageration, but this arch crony of Alex Salmond has been left to fend off the opposition to Scottish Independence with the flack coming north of the border from both Labour and Conservative and anyone else who can wield a political stick.
As the Scot Nats rush headlong for Independence and of course are ever hopeful of taking the population with them, they have suddenly come up against a major hurdle, which apparently they didn't see coming round the bend and directly at them.
It is all about the EU.
When the chips are down the EU it would seem, is a prize possession, nobody in their right mind wants to be excluded from that big economic party. The Scot Nats had assumed all along that following independence they would automatically carry on as members of the EU but this whole vision has been knocked into a cocked hat. Mr Barroso, president of said EU, has pointed out clearly that their membership would not be automatic...as indeed have many other big players.
Alastair Darling for example said that if Scotland were joining afresh they may have to wait many years and would almost certainly be obliged to join the Euro when doing so. It is now the currency of choice or obligation for new members ! or so it appears.
This has wrong footed the bid for Independence. To chose to leave the Euro Club is one thing, but to have it thrust upon the tentative populace, already shaken if not stirred over independence... is something else altogether. Kicked out on your naked rear end is a bitter pill, and as the Scot Nats know, it would almost certainly be a step too far for the voter to leap. The European Union was supposed to be the brace that strengthened Scotland when setting foot into the wilderness following the break-up of the UK. Paddling your own canoe in that same isolated wilderness is not the happiest of prospect.
I think the vote for Independence may have died the death of a thousand cuts.
Picture shows Nicola on a good day...
email: dover7@msn.com - 14 December 2012 15:30205756not just scotland but there are seperatist groups all over europe that are under the same misapprehension. belgium looks like splitting up, the catalans, regions in italy and many others think they would automatically qualify for eu membership.
i wonder if it has occurred to messrs sturgeon and salmond that the uk are nett contributors meaning they would have to pay in a share of what already is paid. - 14 December 2012 15:33205757England and Scotland will be wanting a new Union, and currently Westminster does not offer this to Scotland.
The Constitution will need to be written, starting from the foundations.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 December 2012 16:25205774Maybe the average jock in the street wants out as much as we do ??
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14 December 2012 16:26205775out where kieth. - Keith Sansum1
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14 December 2012 17:11205779looks like salmon and the nationalists want in
the eu are saying they must re apply
but first they have the big hurdle of winning the vote which i dont think they willALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 December 2012 17:25205789agree keith there has never been a groundswell for independence from the masses, mostly the chattering classes and those who wear kilts and eat haggis on burns night have promoted it.
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14 December 2012 17:32205790Think scotnats will lose votes if they continue that standALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 December 2012 17:51205801Howard I have been known to wear a kilt and eat haggis on Burns Night AND play the bagpipes. But I don't really give a toss about Scottish independence.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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14 December 2012 17:54205803wonder how badly the scot nat will doALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 December 2012 18:01205805you are not of the sweaty sock persuasion peter, the majority up there are not bothered about burns night and would prefer a doner kebab followed by a deep fried mars bar any day to haggis.
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14 December 2012 20:06205823scot nats prob on a loser hereALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 15 December 2012 08:47205845Definitely on a loser keefy. To get a traumatised population to vote against being in the UK is one thing, but knowing their vote for same would automatically exclude them from the EU at the same time, would be too big a burden to bear for the electorate... a double whammy of shock, a double whammy of exclusion, that's why tempers are getting frayed.
I dont have an opinion one way or the other on Scottish independence but I can see how the Scot Nats have miscalculated badly here by not checking this fully before launching their campaign.email: dover7@msn.com - Keith Sansum1
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15 December 2012 11:06205859agreed paulb if they continue to go alone they will isolate themselvesALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Brian Dixon
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15 December 2012 16:05205883i can see that mr salmond buying the entire population of scotland very large bottles of scotch to help them make up there minds.
- 15 December 2012 16:59205886" if they continue to go alone they will isolate themselves"
You see how nice some of us can be...no snide remarks, no ignorant generalities. Just a bright and cheery Scotsman doing what he can to show that one need not resort to ill-humour and bombast to get by.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 15 December 2012 17:28205887if you know of any tom invite them to join the forum, we can always do with a good laugh. needless to say that the invite should not be extended to messrs salmond and sturgeon.
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15 December 2012 18:07205889of course it should howard
everyone to there own lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Brian Dixon
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15 December 2012 21:23205910what no smoked salmon and caviear. - Keith Sansum1
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15 December 2012 22:14205911seems they want labour back in around scotland thenALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
