howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of the telegraph.
just a day after he and Nick Clegg declared that economic growth was the Coalition's first priority, the Prime Minister said that "tough, long-term" policies had been unveiled to "return our country to strength".
Mr Cameron lauded proposed laws to overhaul the pension system, toughen criminal justice procedures and offer more flexible parental leave for young families.
However, business groups said that only one of the 19 pieces of legislation announced yesterday — an overhaul of employment tribunals — would directly help boost enterprise and the beleaguered economy.
Concerns were also expressed that offering parents more flexible leave and reforming the energy market may ultimately prove costly for business.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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This speech has had a lukewarm reception right across the media. if you bear in mind that even traditional Tory papers who used to slavishly support Conservatism like the one mentioned by Howard above...if even they cant see the upside then the whole thing must be flagging. There was no recipe for growth in the speech..this seems to be the media concensus.
Instead we had much talk about that navel gazing aspect...which nobody across the country is staying awake nights over...ie House of Lords reform...zzzz
Nationally this produces unbridled yawning from Lands End to John' o' Groats. A huge amount of parliamentary time is to be devoted to this, while all about us quake and reel. A clear case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns...or to use that other one..shifting deckchairs on the Titanic.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Lukewarm from all sides...
I will be doing some commentary in my next blog working through it. Some wrong priorities there and conflictions that clearly arise due to the nature of coalition. Unsatisfactory.
I will upload the blog tomorrow as I will be 'incommunicado' over the weekend as I often am these days!
Brian Dixon
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the speach was predictable and cold.
Keith Sansum1
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to much infighting within the co olition
even within the parties themselves didnt allow anything better
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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A cartoon in the Independent tells the story about the Queens speech....HRH is sitting on the toilet,full regalia,
reading from from reels of a toilet roll...........caption..``I hope you lot don`t think I wrote this crap``
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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the infighting is warming up
cameron given notice to change course by december by his own party mp.
cleggy trying to hold onto power whilst cable and others are seeing the light and as good as saying the tories are wrong
back bench tories had enough of u turns, to much power given to the minority lib dems.
so much going wrong,,,,,
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Guys I dont think there is any danger of the coalition coming unglued. Lord Oakeshot, one of the best of the Libdems as he doesnt mind telling it like it is, he didnt agree with the reduction in tax for the rich dropping as it did from 50p to 45p for example, but he said on Question Time last night that his Libdems are sticking it out to the bitter end. But he himself said the Coalition were failing on growth.
"Austerity is failing" said he...and he is one of the Coalition! An economist too. Cripes!
And they the Libdems will stick it out...they have nowhere else to go. The Prime Minister and Cleggy renewed their vows the other day, but is it really good for the nation, with the best will in the world the government is in omni-shambles. They are awful and it gets worse. Look at the debacle of the Defence/Arms situation. This is truly awful.
They scrapped Labours plans on coming to office, now they have reverted to the same plans, only since then they have sold off the Harrier fleet at scrap metal prices, when boy could we do with them now...and the dithering about has cost anything between 100Million and 250Million pounds..depending on who you believe. Money wasted, plans changed, plans reverted to.
The idiotic baying of support in the House is farcical and was farcical yesterday in support of the Defence Minister Hammond when making this statement. The problem with this baying of pseudo support happens whether the guy is in the right or not. We saw this baying of support for Damian Green recently even though he was completely bonkers and out of touch, and they had to reconsider the whole thing a day later.He went back to the House tail between his legs after getting a public rollicking from the PM. So the support baying on the replays sounds like dead head donkeys calling for their dinner...and completely silly.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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PAULB;
Of course the lib dems would be fully aware they have nowhere to go, once in a general election they will be all but wiped out,
as i said very early the present problems facing cameron is the very big differences between the lib dems and the conservatives.
its a ticking time bomb, likely to go off very soon
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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No Keefy the ticking bomb wont go off soon, they cant let it go off. There is nowhere to go as i said in post 8 above, they are hanging on for dear life. Look at the opinion polls for the lIbdems. look at their performances in the recent elections, they were wiped out, in some cases in By Elections they lost their deposit. Does that sound like a scenario that will bring them back to the country anytime soon...no, definitely not.
Likewise with Cameron, he enjoyed halo ratings for a while but lately his halo has slipped. Now Ed Miliband has passed him in the popularity polls. Cameron is good, a slick operator so he may recover, but overall it would be risky for both parties to go to the country right now after recent drubbings...so we are stuck with them.
Sarkozy pursued a right wing drive on austerity and look what happened to him. A one term president. Cameron doesnt want to be a one-termer surely.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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paulb;
you are correct cleegy has no where to go but in with this is the two parties tearing each other apart.
there are so many things that could happen
and as you say a a party the lib dems have blown it.
cameron cant afford t have cleggy on his coat tails, bearing in mind the right of the tory party are baying for blood
some already giving cameron till december to change course.
if he does this will mean breaking links with the lib dems and cause im sure warfare between the two parties
of course in your polls paulb it was also said that cameron is likely to be a 1 term wonder
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 8....that summing up of the present/recent Coalition effort of government and fiasco`s cannot be challenged.
The past two years have too many similar examples of ill-conceived incompetence.
If the Coalition were a company...forget about profit they would be bankrupt with pending criminal charges.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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so then we carry on with two parties poles apart at loggerheads with each other.
with tory M.P.'s who have given cameron till december to move to the right and ditch the lib dems.
do you realy think the cobbled together govt will limp towards the next general election, being wounded every day.
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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They will survive I reckon, Clegg and his cronies will not give up on their moment of power easily they will have to be dragged away kicking and screaming by the electorate, they will then have to try and be Liberals again , not going to be easy for them is it!
Audere est facere.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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there are a number of issues within this of course;
firstly, i think everyone agrees the lib dems are a spent force, and just waiting for the day to be put out of office.
of course in between time we have this cobbled together govt poles apart and looking more and more like they are at war.
you then have cameron desperate to stay in number 10 upsettig his own MP's on so many issues, where they are now baying for blood, change direction or your out they warn.
then of course once they lose the next general election, the lib dems who had built a good base prior to the last general election and came across realy well on the leaders debate.
will have to rebuild the party thats a far bigger long term plan which could see them going back into the wilderness even more than before the last general election
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the yellow top brass that are not in goverment want to pull out of the coalition soon so that they can distance themselves from the blues long enough to rebuild their reputation in time for the next election.
i think that would be a good move, the blues are toxic with the general public at present with one disaster after another.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I honestly feel cleggy realises tht hes in a no win situation now.
nothing to gain by pulling out, a party in the wilderness.
the present set up is damaging both parties now
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