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    the sdp only really had appeal to disgruntled red voters richard, couple that with there already being a centre party(the liberals) they were doomed to failure from the start.

    ukip are a different animal, with farage there they will continue to thrive taking all sorts of people with them. not just disenchanted blue supporters and activists.

    if the blues had any sense they would have ditched dave a while back and offered farage a place in the cabinet, but the leadership is so out of touch they fail to see it.

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