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    Perhaps you did not see the irony in that statement Mark about Human Rights.

    On the rest of what you say, what an appallingly defeatist attitude.

    To just accept that economically we are in decline and cannot compete I find quite appalling. That condemns future generations in this country to relative poverty and second class status in the world. I find that morally repugnant and intellectually bankrupt. It is not only the BRIC countries that are steaming ahead either.

    I want the best of everything for everyone in this country and that can only come from economic progress. The market sectors in which we excel may change, the types of goods and services in which we will prosper in the future will almost certainly change as well, but we need not accept your 'management of decline' defeatist philosophy.

    We must embrace that change and become more competitive. That does mean a change in political attitudes and philosophy including a smaller fitter state. We cannot go on as before if people want decent education, health and other services we have to change how we deliver them and get government off our backs. It will come - people will not be satisfied to just see that continuing decline, that is not in our nature.

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