Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#1
A study out next month will reveal why the newest MP`s are/will be a major headache for Cameron.
More than half of the tory rebels are new MP`s............43 division revolts have been recorded from May 2010 and Christmas.
The `Class of 2010` have voted against their leader 340 times.
Lib/Dem MP`s have been noticeably quiet !!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#2
Glad to hear it. Nice that the new Conservative MPs are not just lobby fodder and stick up for Conservative principals. This is of course the result of having a coalition government, it was never going to be easy for Cameron. The biggest issue on which they have rebelled of course being the EU - strengthening Cameron by pushing him into using the veto, it has exploded a lot of the silly myths perpetrated by the pro-EU brigade.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#3
Thats an interesting statistic Reg..I didnt realise. Perhaps its new broomism, wanting to make their mark. I also saw somewhere that a large proportion of women dont make it to a second term. What has exploded or will explode is the Conservative parliamentary party...if the whole dont work together, and you have factions pulling in different directions, then its back to the bad old days of John Major.
I noticed recently Nadine Dorries called Nick Clegg a coward at PMQs. She looked red faced and stressed while doing it and this woman is keen to make her mark but in the wrong kind of way if you ask me. Not good for stability...Theresa Gorman reborn. Anyone remember those awful rebels of long ago...wrecking the Conservatives while in power. They revelled in the media attention...I doubt if they mustered a conscience between them but adored the limelight.
This appears to be something that afflicts the Tories more than any other party.
Cameron was definitely pushed into using the veto, but was it good for the country or good only for the Conservatives in power?? As Ed Miliband pointed out...
"it wasnt really a veto
its only a veto when you block something
in this case all the others carried on without him."
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#4
Perfectly right, Barry. New Tory MPs have realised we need a change, and hopefully will be campaigning even more for an end to Big Government.
The fight against the EU is part of this campaign.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#5
# 3.....the veto did not block anything ..its business as usual...Cameron made it for Party reasons..Statesmanship??????.
Rebels to watch...David Nuttall..Andrew Percy..Mark Reckless..Zac Goldsmith..Steve Baker..more will join in...........
and we will still be in Europe.
The current Parliament is the most munitous in 50 years,new entrants most unruly of all.
Long may the rebellion last.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
The Conservative Party is not like the Labour Party in its approach to parliamentary business, PaulB, as you and Reg among others seem to think. Do not get too excited, it will not be as big a problem as you think.
Alex - it is not that they 'realised' it is that they are true to what the Conservative Party want and selected them for. Needless to say that many among the so called 'rebels' are A Listers favour by the Cameroons - that includes many of the names listed by Reg. They are providing necessary balance to the pro-EU nuts in the LibDems.
Conservatives are a Party of individuals and as THE Party for the individual that is only right. So yes, do not get too excited about these 'rebellions' - it is unlikely to develop in the way Major's did, that was when Major tried to allow the pro-EU tail to wag the anti-EU dog over Maastricht. Events are now firmly working in favour of the anti-EU camp.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#7
Dream on.......on waking up................take it easy.
Keith Sansum1
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#8
paulb;
barryw looks to have totally misjudged the mood around his own parties mp's who are just taking on cameron.
they have seen the light, and there will be more, noticed our charlie wasn't amongst those names reg.
Now, cameron without doubt made HIS decision on the EU AFTER his own mp's put him under pressure, now let's not forget this is the same geezer that told the world he believes we must stay in the EU
no wonder the co olition works so well he has same views as the lib dems
now, was this a good decision cameron made on the eu? of course not
yes, those on the right of the tory party will be rubbing there hands
but whilst the tories have there squabbles in public the country continues to go down the pan.
we were promised a new style of govt
we got the same old stuff
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
It so happens that no EU country has decided to join a fiscal union, or to dish out more money on bailouts. Hungary and Bohemia pulled out of the plan, the French realised even France was in a near bailout situation, Ireland went recently into recession, and others are going the same way.
Britain's unemployment is worsening by the day, more people in Britain are on anti depression drugs than ever owing to the economic stress on everyday life, more people than ever in the UK are in debt ... and Cameron is supposed to have done wrong by not flinging £50 billion at an EU bailout project!
His public support has recently gone up, owing to his veto, but not the overall support towards the Tory party.
So there we have the answer: the masses at home say Cameron did well by applying the veto.
He must go much further, the Coalition must start demolishing Big Government, starting with the pointless upper house.
Unelected Big Government should be the very first to go, and we have to tell the European parliament too where to get off.
These essential steps have to be taken in order for progress to continue.
We cannot afford to have a private family as head of the Army, head of the Police Force, head of the Government and head of the Church.
Responsibility must lay with the People, with no room for an overgrown sheep dressed as a lamb pretending to be our head. We need dynamic change for the better, and accountability.
It's no use squeezing the last lemon pip out of the poor while one family and an establishment of privileged lords and chief-executives thrive on riches, and never know the word "spending cuts" in their own circle.
Hopefully the Coalition will go for it! Dynamic, challenging, daring! That's what I expect for 2012.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#10
If you want the coalition to abolish the Monarchy, Alex, don't hold your breath......
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson