Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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6 February 2010
09:4039743#1
Latest news on teachers are concerns that they feel untrained in many cases to deal with violent pupils.
Clearly they are given guidlines that they are able to use REASONABLE FORCE to seperate two pupils fighting.
What is reasonable to you or I may not be reasonable to some other magistrate!!
Some head teachers feel the training should not be a blanket training for all teachers as many schools don't suffer violent pupils.
Then theres the question of those schools that pretent they don't have problem pupils, thus by putting teachers on this training to them would be an admittance the school does have a problem.
From my point of view, I only got the cane once, it did sting at the time, but it made me realise I didnt want that again, and never got caught agaIn!
There is a very thin dividing line between teachers being able to control children, and the outright bashng of kids which can be allowed.
We do need to look again at how society has changed, and go back to allowing teachers be able to control classes without the threat of legal action.
What do you -all think?
6 February 2010
10:3939746#2
Once you train people in control and restraint it becomes acceptable to use it.
6 February 2010
11:1239755#3
Keith! Only caned once! Never caught again, what was your secret? I got caned three times (not doing science homework, running a betting ring, and I can't remember the third). All incidents were painful but didn't actually do me any harm, apart from a few bruises on the rear!
I tend to agree with Bern on this, teachers trained properly in how to restrain and control children ought to be allowed to used those techniques. Harsher penalties for misbehaviour or disruptive behaviour should also be considered.
The real problem I suspect though actually comes from the children of families with none or few social skills. Control and restraint won't work in every circumstance, and penalising the parents (always a good thing IMO) will probably be ineffectual too.
Maybe just letting teachers bash the living daylights out of the miscreants has always been the better answer?
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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6 February 2010
11:4039759#4
Speaking as a school escort there are strict guidelines we have to adhere to. Obviously we are not allowed to smack or otherwise touch a child who is misbehaving, but neither are we allowed to comfort or cuddle a child who is upset or feeling unwell. Personally I find getting the childs attention by eye contact and talking quietly to them usually works. Being in control of oneself gives out the message that you are calm and in control of any situation. I believe constraint should only be used if a child is endangering him/herself or endangering other children.
My personal opinion is that using unnecessary force on a child is tantamount to child abuse. The children I work with are very young and mostly disabled in one way or another but they could knock spots off a lot of their so called "normal" peers when it comes to behaviour.
With regard to older pupils I agree with Keith that there is a very fine line between what is and isn't allowed and because of fear of prosecution some kids are getting away with more and more bad behaviour. I feel very sorry for teachers who have worked and studied hard to get where they are only to be held back by fear of violence both in and out of school.
I don't know what the answer is but in this PC world of ours things don't look good.
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Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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6 February 2010
20:0639812#5
I only got caned once, for throwing margarine in the face of some cretin who absolutely deserved it. Hurt like hell, so if margarine needed throwing after that, it got done when there weren't any teachers around.
On a more serious note, I don't know how teachers and classroom assistants function in the climate of mistrust and suspicion that surround adults near children today. First, you have to prove you're not a paedophile, then you're expected to exist as some sort of unfeeling robot that cannot react to whatever level of insult the little darlings decide to expose you to, all for the annual remuneration that a professional footballer would blow at the bookies in a week.
Like most of the adult population, I don't want to see children come to any harm, but any adult in a child supervisory capacity seems to be caught up in a maelstrom of neurotic panic surrounding their suitability. I feel we live in a nanny state anyway, but this witch hunt surrounding adults near children is nauseatingly bizarre, big time.
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Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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7 February 2010
00:1939861#6
well fancy sid and I agreeing in the main!
I don't think we should batter kids, believe me i saw enough of that by the nuns throughout my catholic education.
but restraint and better powers for teachers required and soon.
I run a youth team and have to say if i(we) abided by the strict regulations the 5 a side league would not function.
Society needs a kick up the b*m.
We need to move away from this compensation culture.
the sooner the better
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2010
11:5139876#7
what about employing security guards in schools that have a violent track record.
teachers should have some protection, i don't think it should be up to them to "restrain" errant pupils.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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7 February 2010
12:0039880#8
I`ll never forget one of those `Untouchables` TV episodes, from 1960 with Robert Stack as Elliot Ness, (yes I watched tv then). It was the Al Capone episode, where he`d been convicted. Hard sometimes in this series to tell fact from fantasy, but Elliot Ness says to the prison governor`s that the best way of dealing with mainstream troublemakers, is to take them out of circulation, away from those that may hero worship them. Hence, the building of Alcatraz.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
7 February 2010
12:2539885#9
Howard, what a dreadful accusation to make
Since 2006 all security guards have been licensed and I would suggest that very few have a 'violent track record'.
7 February 2010
12:4339887#10
Colin
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Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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7 February 2010
13:0139892#11
I got caned twice, well deserved first time around as I broke the school bullies nose, he returned the favour and we became the best of friends, so 'six of the best' accepted no problem, can't remember the second. We received 'the slipper' from our Gym Master quite a few times but he got his comeuppance later, one good thing though was that our masters/teachers/tutors always said if there is a problem between pupils, sort it out in the boxing ring after school hours, which we did.
Agreed all round, I feel sorry for all the hard working teachers who cannot defuse any given situation within this 'PC world gone mad' before it blows itself out of proportion, when in the past just the threat of the cane or detention (do they still have it) would solve the problem.
If a 'security guard/doorman' does not have an up to date SIA licence he is not allowed to work.