Suppressed report
- 25 September 2011 20:11128132bad news for ed on the eve of his parties conference, why politicians do this amazes me.
these things always come out eventually.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8786632/Labours-embarrassing-immigration-secrets-revealed.html - 25 September 2011 23:32128192Personally I don't trust the present government will do anything about immigration, till now they haven't, as each year, net immigration just increases, and they've been in a full year and 4 months.
Many people in Britain, and increasingly more, are of the impression that immigrants get pampered with benefits and free housing, while the indegenous British are despised by the government. I read it every day in news comments.
I too have this impression, and don't believe that the present government intends changing Labour's legacy.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 26 September 2011 07:53128201First of all it is the usual Conservative supporting newspapers who are coming out with these discrediting features right on the eve of the Labour conference.This isnt the only one, as we have seen. They save them up, waiting for the right moment to inflict as much damage as possible on Labour. But there we are, as long as we recognise the signs.
I wouldnt say the indigenous British are despised by their own government Alex but I would say that Mr Cameron in his televison debates promised an end to immigration or a cap on it to be more accurate..but essentially it isnt something he can do. We ourselves migrate, we have Brits pouring into France for example, and we have others coming here so there is legitimate ebb and flow. The borders are open and there is fluidity of movement in the EU so no government can stop this.. but it also works for us too.
Talk to employers, they need workers..where are they to come from? In some areas we have no jobs, see the other thread, but in other areas we have vacancies that cant be filled or wont be filled, usually at the lower end of the job market scale. But nevertheless jobs to be done....it has been shown over and over again that the indigenous wont do these jobs...long tiring hours in a busy London restaurant kitchen for example. Nobody queuing up for that one.email: dover7@msn.com - 26 September 2011 08:03128202There are no surprises here.
Common sense alone will confirm that Labour's failure to limit immigration from Eastern Europe, as was allowed under transitionary arrangements, would result in a flood of low skilled immigration. Other EU countries did take advantage of the transitionary measure so why on earth did Labour fail to do so, that has never been explained. The impact of that also is quite obvious, downward pressure on wages and increase pressure on benefits.
It is no good PaulB throwing up a smokescreen in trying to defend the last government and blaming the messenger. Their incompetence is there for all of us to see and we do not need these suppressed reports to prove it.
Alex - what the government has found is the difficulty in closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, specially hampered as they are by the LibDems who are opposed to tougher controls on non-EU immigration. Nothing can be done about the EU part. Not yet anyway. - 26 September 2011 09:31128213the problem is that the ones leaving the u.k. take their money with them and spend it abroad so no problems with the locals.
many incomers do not and even the ones that work have dependents that use state services usually in areas of highest deprivation.
the other problem is that of over population with all forecasts showing large increases for the foreseeable future. - 26 September 2011 11:05128237I think that the problem doesn't lie in immigration,as this is a matter of EU law,however one way of tackling immigration could be by implementing some or all of the following measures ;
No benefits should be paid until the claimant (immigrant) has been in full time employment in this country for at least six months.
No immigrant should be allowed entry unless he/she has confirmed accommodation. This can easily be verified by electoral roles,prepaid rent or bed and breakfast bookings.
Children should have at least a promise of a place at a local school prior to entry.
Medical checks should be a pre - requiste ensuring that all would be immigrants are innoculated upto UK standards. Therefore preventing the spread of diseases long since eradicated in this country.
These measures do not prevent immigration and therefore do not contravene EU laws but are safeguards already in place within UK immigration law.
It just takes a government with 'balls' to implement them.Marek
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26 September 2011 18:10128306well said marek
a good start that would be
but at the end of the day cameron talks tough, but in reality it has been shown the numbers have not decreased under cameron
but instead have increasedALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 September 2011 18:151283106 months is too short a time for claiming benefits, 5 years minimum would prove that the people were committed to work.
- 26 September 2011 18:34128315Howard
Any time period of work would be a step forward.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter) - 26 September 2011 19:05128324not so marek at present people can come here from the new europe and once they have done 2 years they can claim full benefits..
i see the results around me every day. - 27 September 2011 00:27128378Howard
All EEA/EU nationals have an automatic right to live in the UK for three months after their arrival.
If they are not working during these three months, they will not be eligible to:
apply to go on the council's waiting list for social housing
get help from the council if they become homeless
claim social security benefits.
If they are working during the first three months, then the rules for workers apply
Hope that answers your point.Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter) - 27 September 2011 01:26128383PaulB, when I think of how many jobs I applied for, some of which I really expected to get, and never even got a reply, I ask myself!
That with: so many jobs going that British people won't take, might be a fac-simile template in common use with many private sector employers, who obviously need an excuse for their decisions to employ only foreign people aged 20-29.
I've tried all the local ones out, made applications to them, from Folkestone to Seven Oaks, and knew full well beforehand that they wouldn't dream of ever employing me.
The job-centre also knew this, and never bothered asking further.
At the job-centre, they know all to well that us lot ain't got a chance in those factories. They also knew that signing on at agencies was just a joke. For us lot, that is.
That's why they sent me on IT courses, and helped me into self-employment painting and decorating.
At one point, before I started the courses, the job-centre even made an offer, from the State, that whoever would employ me would get 1000 quid from the State. I posted this on my covering letters, and the employers in all these kentish salad factories, of whom only the label on the plastic salad bag is British, probably slipped off their chair laughing!
Ha ha!
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27 September 2011 07:19128391Alexander
i'm pleased you have employment thats great
but we can't blame all the woes on immigrantsALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Brian Dixon
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27 September 2011 09:22128407exactly. - 27 September 2011 10:57128425Quite right, we cannot blame immigrants for our own stupidity or that of our former government.
- 27 September 2011 11:42128428i doubt that many blame the immigrants themselves, they are only doing what we all do and look to better themselves economically.
the people to aim the stick at is various governments that care for nobody other than big business. - 27 September 2011 11:55128429Howard - you have to look after businesses in order to boost wealth and provide jobs so do not knock them for that. What I would take issue is that they have not done that and have imposed beaurocracy, rafts of 'pc' legislation and other costs onto businesses instead. Allowing immigrant in was more to do with the ideology of many comfortable left wing socialists than anything else.
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27 September 2011 20:43128517this govt has changed nothing on the immigration front
even though they made election addresses that they would
once in govt they said there hands were tied within the eu
not what they were saying prior to the general electionALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS