Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 September 2010
10:5372426#1
Did you know that suicide`s in Japan cost their economy £21 billion, (yes thats right), last year? Their suicide`s compare to only 5,500 in Britain. Only? I thought maybe a hundred or so if someone asked me out of the blue. As a non newspaper reader, or tv watcher, do these figure`s surprise anyone else on here? One execution in the States has just taken place, but how many over there have taken their own lives? A strange species we are indeed.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 September 2010
11:0572433#2
i think the japanese tradition of hara kiri has a lot to do with it.
the suicide problem here is getting worse partly due to internet sites where troubled people are urged to top themselves.
the samaritans used to be the only outlet they were quite successful.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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25 September 2010
11:5672446#3
Past attitudes towards suicides or attempted suicides was very condemning.
Here is a report in 1788 of a typical burial of a suicide victim:
"On Wednesday morning last Elizabeth SIBERT was found hanging in a chamber of the house of Stephen COLLARD of Faversham and on Thursday morning the Coroner's Inquest sat on the body and there being no evidence of insanity they gave their verdict "Felo-de-Se".
The same evening she was buried in the High Road at St Ann's Cross, with an ashen stake drove through her body. She was buried in the horse-road and not on either side, without any coffin, sewd up in an old blanket."
(Kentish Gazette May 16-20 1788 back page col.3, "Canterbury" column)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 September 2010
13:5772454#4
Suicides are a factor of society that ought to be looked in to closely, as many people evediently are fed-up with life. Society should do a lot more to help depressed people, when necessary even financially. There are ways, there have been State-funded attempts in the past in some countries to help people morally, but not much is ever written on this topic, and it seems to me that suicide is largely swept under the carpet, so that we don't perceive it. It doesn't seem to be considered a problem that needs addressing, and this is wrong!
To give an example, Ross posted a nasty proposal on my thread about people being allowed to hate and insult Religion, including blasphemy.
i suppose many people could comit suicide, as it would be so distressing! But i promissed to fight back if he goes ahead!
Full of life that i am!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 September 2010
13:5972455#5
I think blasphemy is so depressing, that may-be it would be the cause of many suicides!
25 September 2010
15:0472459#6
Alexander, although it is tiresome to have to re-hash this one again, I need to point out that Ross said no such thing.
Ross Miller
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25 September 2010
20:5972489#7
Alexander you really are painting yourself as a disingenuous fool
I do not advocate hate in any guise, whether it is your religion or my secular humanist beliefs, however what I do passionately believe is that no belief system deserves or for that matter requires the protection of the law. If the adherents believe, then surely nothing any detractor can say should sway the believer from that belief so why require protection; especially as there are more than adequate laws to deal with harassment etc.
As for suicide is it not still considered to be a sin by many Christians?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
25 September 2010
21:1672493#8
Ahem - Alex, this is NOT a religious thread. Suicide is a deeply human problem, and while I'm sure religious folk have views on it and methods of coping with it, blasphemy is perhaps the most irrelevant contribution to this thread imaginable.
I digress. I had no idea the number was so high in the UK, which is pretty grim. I'm wondering if it is higher than normal with the economic downturn?
26 September 2010
07:3772551#9
Suicide, attempted suicide and threatened suicide are fascinating phenomena, as well as a deep human tragedy. So many factors collide to create the intent in someone - in fact, a real crisis often has the unexpectedly opposite effect in people and can reduce the overall number of effective suicides. And people who have the inate intent will do it whatever the circumstances given an appropriate trigger. Complex and societally significant.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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26 September 2010
09:3772566#10
Unless you have been suicidal your self I don't think anyone can really understand what goes on in the mind of the person concerned. I have had times in my life when I've seemed to be in a black hole but I've never considered suicide - I wouldn't have the guts to do it anyway (as far as I know).
As Bern says, if a person is intent on doing it they will - whatever it takes. So sad that they don't look for help earlier.
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
26 September 2010
10:0272574#11
It is all so complex, I can only agree. Our minds take so many bends and turns and factor in so many different and complicated events and influences it is almost impossible to predict effectively. Having said that, behaviours are a different kettle of fish and can be traced and analysed to greater effect. Whatever the backstory, suicides are always a tragedy, if not for the person committing the act then for the people in its wake who often drown in the slipstream.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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26 September 2010
15:0172596#12
I wonder if the websites devoted to suicide are actually worsening the problem. A recent double suicide involved a couple who had met on such a site while specifically looking for someone to join them in a suicide pact. Is this a case of such sites directing people towards suicide that might otherwise seek help of some sort?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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26 September 2010
15:1672598#13
I know one suicidal who hung himself, and it was left to his mentally retarded daughter to find him. A very sad case as I knew the man well, and was very surprised to hear it. Though I can feel very sorry for someone that had had enough of life, I didn`t much in this case, but considered it an act of selfishness. That poor child must have it stamped in her mind for life, coming home and finding dad hanging on the end of a rope. I`ve had thought`s at times, but like Jacqui, I couldn`t do it, and I`d feel so sorry for those left behind to face it all.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.