howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#1
Item 8 is anything but "Safe and sensible". Having trouble loading the documents but basically columns are being removed all over the district including Whitfield Hill.
http://moderngov.dover.gov.uk/documents/g2355/Agenda%20frontsheet%2009th-Jun-2016%2018.00%20Dover%20Joint%20Transportation%20Board.pdf?T=0Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#2
Thanks Howard very useful interesting.Perhaps one of Councillors can throw a light on this.Seems rather drastic.I hope River and Temple Ewell residents will read this.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
#3
One for KCC member for the area Sue .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#4
Indeed Paul they put up such a great fight to save our pier that I have great confidence in them.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#5
Thanks Paul already heard from Pam who is on holiday however she has contacted Gordon and Mike.I shall contact Geoff and Steve.Temple Ewell informed.Clive was not concerned.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#6
Some of the County members have responded.I appreciate this.Oneperson on River Face book page does not consider Whitfield Hill is a rat run.My understanding is if you need to get on the A 20!One would travel on the A2 down past the docks and up via Aycliffe.The -Alkham Valley road was never built for all the traffic which flows constantly .There are no traffic lights at the junction with London Road and there is the low bridge.
It's time Temple Ewell and River Parish Council got together to sort out the problems .Still some prefer a quiet life.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#7
By definition it cannot be a rat run Sue as that is the main route through the area, cutting through River instead of using London rd is a rat run.
When I worked in London i knew most of the rat runs across the city, I could save hours of queuing in a day.
Arte et Marte
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#8
Probably as you say not a rat run but all I know the Hill gets very busy when there are problems with traffic at the port as more people use the Alkham Valley .There is always a backlog of traffic trying to get out of the junction by the railway bridge.Early mornings and around Five o'clock It will get worse as more homes are built at Whitfield .Its time KCC put traffic lights in at the junction.There are two exits out of River and only one is controlled by lights.There is one through up the lanes but very narrow.On Football days it is anightmare.j
PatrickS
- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#9
Traffic flow has changed dramatically in this area since TAP was introduced and STACK was implemented on a frequent basis last year - can't remember exactly how many times but I think it was in the 30's.
Sue, those wishing to get to the A20 would, and do, prefer to bypass Jubilee Way and Townwall Street altogether rather than be caught up in heavy traffic leaving the port and the DHB initiated year long roadworks. In consequence more use is made of bypass routes such as London Road, Folkestone Road and Alkham Valley.
These roads were never designed to take the type of traffic now being experience by our residents - not just vehicle users but pedestrians, cyclists and home owners along the routes being used. If such use is a 'rat run' then it is by definition a 'rat run'.
I am a member of Kearsney Bowls Club located just of London Road and before the Alkham Road low rail bridge. I have lost count of the number of squealing brakes and grinding metal I have heard whilst playing there. The Club has tried in vain to get mirrors placed opposite our car park as it is a blind exit and traffic hurtles off the main road like there is no tomorrow.
I wrote to Highways England about these traffic increases during their public consultation periods last year and earlier this year, pointing out the substantial increases in traffic on Folkestone Road and Alkham Valley Road but nothing much seems to have been achieved for local residents as a result of that process.
Anything that makes driving, cycling or walking these routes more dangerous is not good. Perhaps a change of perspective (or heart, if they have one) would not go amiss and enlighten our otherwise great town.
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PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#10
Marry all this up with Andy B's recent post on tailgating hgv's on the A20 and it becomes a rather obvious problem that requires urgent remedial action.
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#11
Howard, the Trial switch off proposed is at
http://moderngov.dover.gov.uk/documents/s17888/Streetlighting%20Report.pdf
if you have had difficulty in getting it.
As far a Dover is concerned, Whitfield Hill and Folkestone Road at Farthingloe are within the proposals.
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Guest 1395- Registered: 5 Nov 2014
- Posts: 463
#12
It is worth remembering that the Alkham Valley road was the B2060 until the A20 was improved and had been largely rebuilt over the years to the relevant standard. The junction at Kearsney could certainly do with traffic lights.
Lew Finnis
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#13
Yes Lew,the junction does need traffic lights.At times there is a build up of traffic which clogs up the roads in River and Temple Ewell.Accidents do accur on the hill and to take out the lights is ridiculous.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#14
Good coverage in Dover Express face book .Against the decision for removal.Cllr David Hanant and I was pleased to see a good comment by the Prinicipal of Christ Church Academy.I don't know how Councillors voted.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#16
Thanks Howard.I have spoken to a Councillor who was at the meeting,and the committee resolved to keep the columns,however th final decision will be made by theKCC portfolio Holder.So who knows .I have received a comment from a River resident who wants to know how many accidents have occurred since the lighting was switched off .Well my response would you walk that hill in complete darkness.Ok if you are in a car.
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,599
#17
Whitfield Hill lights have been back on this week (possibly before that).
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#18
At least two weeks ago.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#19
yes a Cllr was campaigning on this, seems he did ok
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