Keith Sansum1
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Last night a big ranking chappy made it clear there was no intention of taking out gadaffi,, its get UN treaty he said and was unwilling to discuss the matter further.
quite a bold move.
later we heard the conservative govt official(soz the cobbled together govt as lb dems support tories)
that this chap got it wrong and gadaffi is a target
oh dear
P.R. not the strong point here
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Keef
A lack of cordination was evident from the UK military leader ,Liam (who?) Fox Defence Minister and the PM.However I'm sure they'll get their act right soon enough.
Although I support the UN decision I am concerned about the lack of exit strategy. On another point I find it rather hypocritical that Cameron slammed Blair for his govts intervention in Iraq but is now following and advocating a similar course of action in Libya.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
It is substantially different, though, despite it similarities! This action is based on the protection of civilians and not on regime change, whereas no-one could claim that Iraq was anything other than regime change. Regime change will probably be the outcome, but it isn't West-led and the West won't be part of the change. She said..........
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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MAREK
Can't disagree with any of your last posting
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bern
A very subtle difference - protection of civilians normally requires a regime change and DC did tell parliament yesterday that he ,personally, wanted to see Gadaffi go.However point taken I find the use of any military action lies awkwardly with my socialist views preferring the ballot box to the bullet.
However in this particular case I regrettably see no alternative.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
I think that's it, Marek - what are the options? Sitting back and doing nothing isn't one of them, sadly.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the iraq war was only about finding weapons of mass destruction.
only when they discovered that there wern't any did tony blair dig up the regime change thing.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Keith, I don't think it's a difference of opinion but a difference of interpretation that the meeja are trying to hype up. As I read it yesterday, the military are right in saying it would be illegal to target Gaddafi personally to bring about regime change, but it would be within the UN resolution to target the head of the command structure that was actively ordering attacks on civilians, who happens to be Gaddafi.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ray
no there was a clear difference of opinion, thus the govt official going on tv saying the army chapee had got it wrong
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bern, with regards to post 6, "where are the options?", and "sitting back and doing nothing isn't one of them".
Well, so then we have to get ourselves involved in every other people's conflicts. So! That is what our Army is there for! So tomorrow, or next week, or if you like, in a month's time, our Army will be marching into Yemen, and into Syria.
And if someone decides that Saudi Arabia is undemocratic, then there they must march too!
And yes, why not Cuba? Every time someone sparks off a revolt, a protest, the stupid idiotic British will be marching in to shed their blood, and stupid British wives and mothers will be happily sitting there in silence, in wonder and awe and praise of how their husbands/sons gave their lives for these unknown brawlers who go about chanting in the streets bawling out some rubbish or another and triggering off a civil war.
I've seen pictures of Lybians in Benghazi shooting off their automatic rifles in celebration of a "UN" intervention to bomb other Libyan cities, including the picture of some woman wearing a burka shooting off in the air from a car.
Let her fight her own war, Bern, and let us Britiish keep well out of it! We British do not need to go and sacrifice our blood for the cause of any shouting mobs in other countries, we have suffered too much already.
We should be a neutral country like Ireland, where no-body tell us that we have to drain our blood for the riots and bawling of mobs in other countries.
We have an option: to tell PM Cameron to buzz off!