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    BarryW - while I totally agree with the principle of consequences and responsibility, it is naive to ignore those other, highly significant, factors that impact on a childs potential to grow and develop. Look at those two children who horribly assaulted the other two children recently - they had such horrific backgrounds themselves they had no chances to develop properly, and I don't think anyone could deny that. What they did was vile, but what people did to them was equally vile and as far as I am concerned led directly to their behaviour.

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