Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The Tories and Lib/Dems have prostituted themselves,their party ,its members and their voters in order to seize power. Their joint election manifesto's and pledges lie in shreds only days after the countless promises were made to the electorate and are now broken on day 1 of a new dawn and a supposedly new political era.
Where do we go from here?How will Prime Ministers Question Time ever be the same?Obviously the leader of the Lib/Dems now Deputy PM will be unable to stand up and question David Cameron it would have been like Harman asking a question of old Brown.Ridiculous situation.
Where will Clegg and his cabinet cronies sit? On the front bench I imagine.Clegg will also have to answer PMQ's in Camerons absence.A very strange affair.
Will the TV companies still be duty bound to have all 3 parties represented on their programmes? Surely it's now the Government versus the Opposition and the Others.Lib/Dems are no longer the Opposition but form part of the new coalition government.
The only true progressive party left that will continue forward is the Labour Party who will still be able to push forward with its reforms without having to compromise with another party.
The true test will be the referendum(if they ever have one) on electoral reform Labour will vote against it along with the hard core Tories leaving the Lib/Dems floundering helplessly with its members ,quite rightly'feeling very let down by its leaders and MP's.It could spell the end of the Lib/Dems and force them into the wilderness.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Marek
I thought the idea of a referendum on electoral reform was a national vote, not for MPs. Surely, if the nation decides to plump for electoral reform. the MPs could hardly veto it.
True friends stab you in the front.
Brian Dixon
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same crap differant party.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Andy
Yes what I meant to put is that Labour and hard core Tories will be canvassing agin it..urging the public not to accept PR...apologies I'm not in harmony or should I now say coalition with my brain.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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Was yesterday the day the Lib/Dems died, I just cannot see how they can continue as a stand alone party, they will be sat with the Conservatives, Clegg will be sat next to Cameron. What happens at the first by election ? do they put a candidate up against the Blues? if not and it is a seat they would normally contest that will speak volumes.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The deal regarding voting reform is a referendum on the AV system, this is not PR. A referendum will be supported by Conservatives but then they will be free to campaign against it (David Cameron will do so). All part of the dal.
I really dont understand you Marek.
The people elected a parliament and sadly it is hung and the politicians have to make the most of it and act in the best interests of the country. The deal that has been agreed is potentially the most stable available from a unenviable situation. Yet you brand it 'prostituting' - what on earth do you expect?
We are at war, we have an unprecedented financial crisis, the country needs strong leadership and yet you whinge away. Two party leaders, including the one who gained the largest vote share and most seats in parliament, have put aside their differences in a mature way, negotiated a deal and are able to provide that strong leadership. They should be commended for that by anyone sensible for placing the country first.
If you are suggesting that we should have PR then you would be institutionalising hung parliaments and therefore what you desribe as prostituting would become the norm. I dont like it, I want clear cut majorities in the first past the post system but I am able to accept the best deal available now. Why cant you? and stop being so meally mouthed about it.....
Marek my old socialist mucker, "Their joint election manifesto's and pledges lie in shreds only days after the countless promises were made to the electorate and are now broken on day 1 of a new dawn and a supposedly new political era."
Please enlighten me as to how this is any diiferent to the beginning of the Blair/Brown disaster of 1997? Before you answer, I strongly and respectfully suggest reference to the 1997 Labour Party GE Manifesto, available online, may be an eye-opener.
With regard to PR, I'd be surprised if either the Blues or Reds stood up for it at a referendum. And why would they? This election would have ended in a hung parliament under PR, the only difference would have been LibDems getting a few more seats. If it ain't broke, and I don't think it is, don't fix it. If there is one thing guaranteed after a GE it is that the losing parties will moan about the system, press, tv, weather, Joan Rivers' hairstyle etc. I say, "in one ear and out the other". It's just sour grapes.
As for the alliance, well, we shall have to see how that works, but even very senior Labour folks accept they were soundly rejected by the voters and should stand aside. It was only Gordie desperately trying to hang on to power that caused this thing to drag on until even he couldn't avoid the inevitable. He and his team have been overwhelmigly rejected by the British public, not everyone of course, but enough to make it clear to all but Gordie and those wearing red tinted glasss.
Very tough times ahead as the new regime tries to sort out yet another socialist economic mess, again.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think that senior reds saw the writing on the wall.
step aside and let nick clegg enter the lions den and see his party disappear.
as said on here the alternative voting system is well short of proportional representation, even then it is unlikely to succeed in a referendum.
the yellows are rightly celebrating now with the cabinet seats and jobs for their top people, i fear they will be well shafted at the ballot box next time around.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Well, we only have to wait until Thursday 7th May 2015 to find out! Unless the whole thing falls on its backside in the meantime!
The Con/Lib coalition is probably the best outcome all things considered and in my humble opinion. The best thing is that GB has scurried back to Jockland with his tail between his legs.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Marec i agree with you , also when the next election is called how will the libs campaign , will they critisize the goverment they have been part of .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there is still one seat to be voted on yet due to the death of one of the candidates.
will be interesting to see how that pans out, supposed to be a safe blue seat, will nick withdraw his candidate?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Howard they will not.