Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#2
a case of murder might get a prison sentance howard,to many veriations to post.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
#3
The young plonker got a prison sentence as surely as you buy a couch, even though "you pay nothing for a year". A labour intensive period ensues when he is to be tagged each evening, plus the 'community service'. A breach of either arrangement could lead to immediate imprisonment.
Let's hope he finds the courage over the time of his suspended sentence to face-up to his crime and apologise.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#4
i don't share your optimism tom, although caught in the act he has denied responsibility and shown no sign of remorse.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
- Posts: 2,868
#5
Comments questioning "MODERN PRISON IMPROVEMENTS" IN 1821:
Kentish Gazette 26 Apr 1821 p.3 col.4:
PRISONS with their modern improvements
"That the motives of the leaders of the New System have been highly laudable, is not to be doubted, but that their endeavours at improvement are useful to
the public or to the objects of their solicitude, is very questionable. . Experience of professional and practical men deserves peculiar attention.
"One of the Justices of the Peace for Middlesex and Westminster has recently.. expressed himself in the following terms:-
"Prisons from being dreary and miserable abodes, have become spacious, commodious and agreeable; the offensive term prison has been mollified into
the milder names, "House of Correction", "Penitentiary", etc.. tender feelings of the humane have been under a continual state of excitement to improve the
unpleasantness of imprisonment, and the hard earnings of the honest and industrious have been drained to supply the means of rendering "Punishment comfortable" !
"During these years also the alarming increase of crimes has been a subject of continual lamentation with the public. The coincidence is not an
accidental one, is evidently that of a cause and effect. That a houseless, naked and starving man should be tempted to relieve his wants by acts of
dishonesty, when, if detected and convicted the penalty is good lodging, good bedding, warm clothing, excellent food, cheerful society, daily visits
of friends, the condolence and tender treatment of superiors, and light work, or no work at all, is only what might be expected.
"Instances are frequent in which the accused candidly say that they were starving and committed the theft to get into a house of correction.
"The matter of surprise is when we view the wretchedness in which so many hard working men and their families drag on existence, that the regard for
good character, and a love of independence, should induce them still to continue honest and work their emaciated frames to the very bones while such
excellent fare waits upon choice if they will only condescend to be dishonest. The wonder however is rapidly evaporating; much of the face of
the country is altered by the immense buildings going forward, for the better accommodation of criminals, they do not expand equally with the
demand for places. In districts where a little old prison was seldom half occupied, extensive buildings under the new system are found to be always
full and in want of additions, while Candidates for admission infest our streets and prefer their claims upon our persons and our property in swarms
and in noonday."
"On the attempt to make the criminal not only comfortable but religious, honest and industrious, he exclaims "vain attempt!"
"Convicts may be taught a demurian and to make hypo-critical confessions of sorrow and amendment; a spurious artificial religion may also be infused
into some of them, ..the idea that, through faith, they may avoid future punishments.. Some go to their vacation of thieving, with religious tracts
in one pocket and instruments of death in another. Others have been discovered at prayers, or at meeting, immediately after having committed a
barbarous murder..
"The County Gaol of Middlesex, called the House of Correction, but which he thinks might with more truth be called the House of Attraction or Seduction,
cost £60,000; the annual expense of accommodation and superintending prisoners is about £9,000; to which add 5% on the cost of the building and the annual
amount is £12,000, while the produce of the loitering employment of the prisoners, called labour is £260 a year.
That this job, the Penitentiary at Mill Bank, cost the public, though but half built, half a million pounds sterling.
"The annual expenses of this establishment in the House of Commons to the amount of £100 for each convict.
"These matters merit serious and deep reflection before our philanthropy is put to the full stretch and the public purse called on to defray the charge
of its indulgence."
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Lincolnshire Born and Bred
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#6
In many cases. it is still a "vain attempt" to turn people into good honest citizens and to many, it is still a house of attraction and seduction.
Some people, through their early experiences of life, sadly, will be nothing else but criminals.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#7
i have said on here befor today
the prisons are full to bursting
so judges have a hard job in trying to find ways of sentencing people knowing they have no where to send them
some have been released early to free up room(not a move applauded by all)
do we need more prisons?
or an alternative ?
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