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    I dont disagree there Howard - we can be our own worse enemy but be nevertheless will not solve that problem by letting another one develop elsewhere.

    Tom - no, common sense and learning from past mistakes that have been made time after time. A modern military force cannot be whistled up just like that just out of thin air when needed - you have to maintain a well equipped, well trained, flexible and professional force able to respond to a variety of threats to unconventional and asymmetrical threats. That takes money and a minimum force level, we are at risk of falling below that minimum requirement in particular with naval forces and indeed there is a good case to say that we are already below what is needed. The other key advantage to such a force of course is its deterrence value. Argentina would be a lot less beligerent now if we had a conventional carrier available and even in 1982 would not have acted if the old Ark Royal was still in service.

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